2012 Presidential Race

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

One have to be careful ,as it is very tempting to respond and engage in to political debate of one's party association and believes, therefore I will politely excuse myself from the present conversation with anyone with schoolyard bully mentality ,who is trying to play misplaced patriotism card , especially those who use rolling stone magazine as sorce of information on current affairs. I bid you a good day.

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Evidently you don't believe in whatever it is you believe in to even put forth a minimal effort at describing why or what you believe in in the context of this important election..

Very strange idea you have about what a discussion forum is all about since your point is "I refuse to discuss anything with anybody who i believe disagrees with what I am thinking " (because you certainly have not written anything at all).

Yep you must be a conservative.

And rather than lamely dismissing the information---including real documents----in the articles ---clearly without having even clicked the links---counter them. Discuss the content..
Few things are more emblematic of the reasons for the paralyzing polarization in my country than the "I don't know about what that article says, I'm not going to even look at that article, but I know its not true, so i won't even look at it."

Again, why do you hate America?

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Evidently you don't believe in whatever it is you believe in to even put forth a minimal effort at describing why or what you believe in in the context of this important election..

Very strange idea you have about what a discussion forum is all about since your point is "I refuse to discuss anything with anybody who i believe disagrees with what I am thinking " (because you certainly have not written anything at all).

Yep you must be a conservative.

And rather than lamely dismissing the information---including real documents----in the articles ---clearly without having even clicked the links---counter them. Discuss the content..
Few things are more emblematic of the reasons for the paralyzing polarization in my country than the "I don't know about what that article says, I'm not going to even look at that article, but I know its not true, so i won't even look at it."

Again, why do you hate America?

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It's not hate it is greed. I worked cutting, and finishing marble and granite for the largest granite, and marble company in San Diego. Our products were installed all over this country and many others by our installers. There was a large contingent of first generation American/Italians that were very talented in this field as you can imagine.
Considering my personal ancestry it pains me to say that these were some of the greediest thieving people I've ever known. Many relatively inexpensive accessories had to be locked away because of the rate that they were stolen.

^^^^Italian/Americans some were legal alien status, who were probably innocent pawns!



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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Evidently you don't believe in whatever it is you believe in to even put forth a minimal effort at describing why or what you believe in in the context of this important election..

Very strange idea you have about what a discussion forum is all about since your point is "I refuse to discuss anything with anybody who i believe disagrees with what I am thinking " (because you certainly have not written anything at all).

Yep you must be a conservative.


Again, why do you hate America?

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Did you ever come to think about Americans who worked two shifts for years, borrowed money from friends to start little buisness. Did you ever think of people who are traying to survive in this in environment by mortgaging their house and not sleeping at night of worries what's next. Did you ever think of people not letting couple employees go because they have kids in college. I thought so. This American is tired of cute speeches, false hopes and empty promises from every angle.This American doesn't have education of his children and knows how to miss spell word here and there, but this American doesn't need magazine ,or forum propaganda to awaken the senses when it come to love of this country. Before you start pointing fingers and label me by some missguided political view. Before you shoot from the hip ,please think.

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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

it pains me to say that these were some of the greediest thieving people I've ever known. Many relatively inexpensive accessories had to be locked away because of the rate that they were stolen.

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Interesting. The most greedy thief I've ever met was the cab driver that I traveled with from 'Glasgow' Prestwick to the actual city of Glasgow. He wanted to over-charge the fee once he found I was charging the ride to my employer, taking some of the extra for himself and giving me an even higher priced receipt so I could make a bit as well.

On the other hand he was dead honest about it.

Sounds like pretty much the same game doesn't it? Do great work for your employer. Steal customers that would have paid more if they were actually going through your employer, and give the customer the same product at a reduced cost while increasing your own take.
It was quite a network they had going as the exspensive product, the vast inventory of granite and mable slab that couldn't be locked awaywas secreted on to company trucks leaving for legitimate Company jobs.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Wise move. Even making an attempt at discussions with some will net you nothing more than insults and more insults from certain far left wing radicals if you don't march in lock step with them. The very idea of an open discussion, letting others express views, is a foreign concept. For them, freedom of speech is only for them and doesn't apply to any who may disagree. Funny how the very idea of "freedom" gets changed around.

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Yeah what he said, except all the pronouns changed.
dismiss everything without ever looking ..PM your friends so they can gang up and say harumph harumph..
And be a pawn your whole life long.

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

Did you ever come to think about Americans who worked two shifts for years, borrowed money from friends to start little buisness. Did you ever think of people who are traying to survive in this in environment by mortgaging their house and not sleeping at night of worries what's next.

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Yeah Antonio
Of course I think of them, I'm one of them. last 7 years I'm up from whenever to sometimes past midnight. Until just about 2 1/2 years ago I was and should have been disabled for almost anything other than standing so i concentrated on machining---making things out of metal..
My personal joke is "Yeah on Christmas I only work 1/2 day: 12 hours"
0730 to midnight 30 is more than 2 shifts in my book.

And I've worked in producing things parts tools machinery for 43 years, except a little break racing motorcycles for a living----which led all those years later to fawked up vertebrae in 2 places, ripped up knees ( 7th knee operation one week ago)
and still working even if I could not see straight..
I have kids, and I have a wife, and a house (bought at 50, first house) .
That is why I work.
I agitate because I want an economy that allows people to buy my products which we had the previous time when we had a Democratic President and a less ideological Conress.
I am not doubting your or anybody's love of country---regardless if you, with an obvious big chip on your shoulder claims I am..
I am saying that you might want to click this links, read the articles---you can read this sheeet, then you can read that---and read how the man whose only card he can really try and throw down is "Obabma increased the deficient by xx %" and smugly claiming that he is a genius at business---when in fact he's a common ordinary financial manipulator who made money by transferring debt to companies and charging outrageous fees and made profit if the business ---and the advice---worked OR NOT.

You don't get paid if you don't do the work--produce something--of whatever you do.
I don't get paid if I don't make the rally car struts and engines that WORK.
He became fabulously wealthy singing convincing songs to businesses in trouble, and bleeding his company's fees whether the place went broke or not---and by passing the debt burden that Bain took out to finace their leveraged buyouts, crushed many companies.....and once they went broke, Bain walked away from the leveraged debt.

Can you do that with debts? just walk away?
I can't.
THEY can
HE did.

No man is an island unto himself, you cannot accomplish much alone none of us can, and you cannot spend the time researching by yourself who this smooth talking born-rich boy is. That is why we read.
Did you ever think of people not letting couple employees go because they have kids in college. I thought so. This American is tired of cute speeches, false hopes and empty promises from every angle.This American doesn't have education of his children and knows how to miss spell word here and there, but this American doesn't need magazine ,or forum propaganda to awaken the senses when it come to love of this country. Before you start pointing fingers and label me by some missguided political view. Before you shoot from the hip ,please think.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Jack Rappaccini

You sir are far more malleable than I ever dreamed you were. Then again anyone that is practiced in the art of fly fishing is by nature a contemplative man. I thought the greatest line spoken by The President of the United States of America was spoken when he summoned the words of the greatest President in the history of the USA in my educated opinion….Abraham Lincoln:

“I’ve been driven to my knees many times by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go"

Battle Hymn of the Republic - London 2001 - YouTube

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In case you are having trouble connecting the dots I offer my humble assistance. Like Lincoln with the same words Obama admits he has had failings. As for the video:
Isn't it sad that all the good will that was shown the USA after 9/11 was squandered by Bush/Cheney/Neo Cons. I hold this in stark contrast to 1991 when Bush Sr. who for reasons that those who understand American Civics I detested, at least had the type of advisors to stop the first gulf war after a real coalition liberated Kuwait (their oil at least, and thier sovereignty) and cut Saddam Hussein’s balls off, leaving Clinton (who like all men had failings) to only have to lob a cruise missile in when Iraq thought they could violate the "No Fly Zone"
I present the following video after that war in stark contrast.

Whitney Houston - Battle Hymn Of The Republic (WHH) - YouTube

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Originally Posted by ioan

Try to see the positive side of this: none of them can be worse than G W Bush.

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Considering Obama has been much worse that Bush(Hell he is battling with Carter for worst pres ever), Your premise is flawed.