Which rally should they add to the WRC-calendar?

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

Please make an argument against a rally in the United States that cannot be made against any other nation in the world hosting a rally. Like, say, Moldova.

For example, you ask where marshalls, time-keepers and road block crews will come from in Denver, and you present this as proof that a rally cannot take place in the United States. But regardless of whether I wanted to start a rally in America or in Moldova, I would be faced with the same problem, which disproves your theorem that these are challenges unique to the United States.

Likewise, you point to the failure of the Press-on-Regardless to capture the public attention as another barrier to a successful rally being established. But it's been thirty-eight years since the Press-on-Regardless was a round of the WRC, so how on earth is anything that happened there and then relevant to here and now?

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First question, why bring up a country you know most likely nothing about?

And about your last paragraph, which I quoted above. He used analogy, saying that it didn't make any major change when the rounds were in US and why should it be any different now. (Sorry if I understood your point wrongly Janvanvurpa)

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Originally Posted by Franky

First question, why bring up a country you know most likely nothing about?

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Why do you assume I know nothing about it?

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

Why do you assume I know nothing about it?

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You answered with a question to a question ...

I don't assume, I doubt and you haven't said anything to prove me wrong so far.

Something different from Europe and south America.........THE SAFARI RALLY IN KENYA.

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

Take, for example, the Ypres Rally. You point to it being a "legendary event", but if the organisers wanted to join the WRC, they would have to go through the WRC candidature process, which might not sit well with the orgnaisers because it would be a case of "we know you're a legendary event, but you still have to go through the selection process like any other rally".

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Can I just ask how Australia got the WRC back? Perth was government supported MAINLY with a state (West Australian) Tourism company pulling the rally in Perth. The local government too. But how did it as a "legendary event" in the WRC already get it's feet back in the WRC years later, on the other side of the country? Shame it left Perth.... but how come another rally didn't take its place? How did it come back and go to Coffs Harbour? Because there was a WRC in Australia before it gets priority over other candidates who would LOVE and truely be better off with a WRC round ie Poland, Ypres etc?

Give me the people in Denver's phone number and email addys.
You give me some assurance there will be hundreds, not the couple of dozen that exists in the1000km radius of Denver now.

And You tell me that they will show up at the next 7-10 events to work controls , learn the skills, develop a routine,,----oh WAIT!

There are no rallies anywhere near Denver now..., nearest rallies are 700 to 1000 km away..

Sorry I vaguely recall reading some utter crap somewhere with a distinctly similar "Just look at the maps" "logic"..

I will not waste any further time "bebating" with somebody a) who hides their real name--and is thus not a real human in mu eyes but a joke, and b) no location..
You should note that the best rally forum in USA was founded one evenuing in my driveway cause i have a pot of room and about 3 times the experience of the next guy so5-6 guys were here working on their nice Volvos and Fords.
We made one inflexible rule at that forum we call Rally Anarchy - Don't Panic and that is REAL NAME, REAL LOCATION---and age..

And it works....no bullsheeeet, and even better, no moderators...

So I'm done with you unless I know who and where I'm talking to and you listen and stop talking "you get them in Denver". That is so ridiculous that I doubt you are an adult.

Done.

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

Please make an argument against a rally in the United States that cannot be made against any other nation in the world hosting a rally. Like, say, Moldova.

For example, you ask where marshalls, time-keepers and road block crews will come from in Denver, and you present this as proof that a rally cannot take place in the United States. But regardless of whether I wanted to start a rally in America or in Moldova, I would be faced with the same problem, which disproves your theorem that these are challenges unique to the United States.

Likewise, you point to the failure of the Press-on-Regardless to capture the public attention as another barrier to a successful rally being established. But it's been thirty-eight years since the Press-on-Regardless was a round of the WRC, so how on earth is anything that happened there and then relevant to here and now?

So please, make an argument against a rally in the United States that cannot be made against any other nation in the world hosting a rally. I'm dying to hear it.

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No, not interested in "argument" I am too busy making parts for rally boys cars.

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Originally Posted by Red bull

Something different from Europe and south America.........THE SAFARI RALLY IN KENYA.

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Yep! absolutely! And with whatever format the local organisers decide.
All Power to the Sovi !---uh wait,
Some Power to the Local committees!

(dayum just doesn't sound as inspiring as "All Power to the Soviets!" does it?)

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Originally Posted by Franky

First question, why bring up a country you know most likely nothing about?

And about your last paragraph, which I quoted above. He used analogy, saying that it didn't make any major change when the rounds were in US and why should it be any different now. (Sorry if I understood your point wrongly Janvanvurpa)

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Well the truth is that there was a difference: exhaustion from overwork because such a shortage of volunteers.

You can only maintain enthusiasm so long and after 4 years of diminsihing entries, less and less attention from local media--zero from National media, and down to maybe --seriously 100---200 spectators in last year---and many just got tired.

I ran a small specialty shop then building and rebuilding Saab 96 and 95 V4 cars, most into something like 1969 RAC spec---except final drive ratio!---and had a lot of customers in Seattle. In '85 a few voluteered to work Olympus, in 86 when driving. I saw maybe 35 of my customers---and it hit me there were in a way "fans", and I was shocked, by end of 88, none were volunteering.

Oh and we lost maybe 1/4 of the cars that guys with big stars in their eyes had built on the way UP the wave..Dropped out never to be seen again. So for example in 85 a National might have 50 cars total (regional included), by 89 there were events with under 20 entries. Insane.

I think the Manx would make a great addition, as long as the organisers said no SuperRally like Monte Carlo did. Would make for a very interesting spectacle. Although whether the island is big enough for the WRC crews on top of all the usual entrants could be a challenge.

Otherwise San Remo, running as a true mixed surface event, ie half the day in tarmac trim, then half in gravel. Not just changing tyres either, but having complete setup changes - this would add a real unique element to the championship just like it used to be in the 80s and 90s.

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Originally Posted by Franky

I don't assume, I doubt and you haven't said anything to prove me wrong so far.

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Whether or not I know anything about a country like Moldova is inconsequential to the point I am trying to make: that the challengesjanvanvurpa presents as being unique to the United States, are not as unique as he makes them out to be.

But for the record, I actually know quite a bit about Moldova. I deliberately chose a country that I was familiar with, but one that other people might not necessarily know too much. That way, if someone said "If you want to hold a rally in Moldova, where are all the officials going to come from?", I could use my knowledge of the country to assess whether or not they had made an argument that fit the condition I set out. So far, that hasn't happened yet.

And you did assume that I don't know anything about Moldova. Why do you think I picked it out of the two-hundred odd countries in this world when I was trying to make a point? It was certainly no coincidence.