I will probably be banned for this, but...shooting thread!

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Originally Posted by chuck34

How can you possibly say there is no comparison? People prattle on about how having a gun at home is so dangerous, that somehow everyone who has a gun at home is going to kill themselves and others. But a large portion of the Swiss population has guns at home, with MUCH lower crime rates. So where is the link saying that if you have a gun at home it will necessarily be dangerous?

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We are talking about 2 completely different cultures here.

apples and oranges.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

A higher quality of life, liberty and happiness.

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You have more liberty by having freedom and rights removed.
Ah liberal big-brother think.

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Originally Posted by studiose

You forgot to add God's grace. :p : "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. (Matthew 26:52, King James Version)

I think the right to bear arms is unquestionably a liberty. Which is why I can understand why many Americans are so fond of it.

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384.Luke 22:36
He (Jesus) said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

We are talking about 2 completely different cultures here.
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Not to mention the fact that the Swiss ownership is largely by trained military personnel for military purposes. This, in my opinion, cannot be construed as “private” ownership as compared with the posession of a firearm by an ordinary civilian.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You have more liberty by having freedom and rights removed.
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Liberty to me is the ability to live in a society where citizens don’t feel the need to arm themselves because of fear of oppression from the government :) .

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Originally Posted by Eki

No, it's just an example that times change and constitutions should change with them.

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What has changed, men still rape women, men still murder men and women, governments still force populaces to do as they want not what the people want, what has changed.
Nothing, never has, never will.
The people who wrote the Constitution realized that making firearm ownership a right, not a priviledge.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Interesting statistics here on private firearms ownership in the U.S. based on a national survey conducted in 2004:

The US gun stock: results from the 2004 national firearms survey -- Hepburn et al. 13 (1): 15 -- Injury Prevention

A few tidbits for those who can't be bothered to read the entire article:

"...38% of households and 26% of individuals reported owning at least one firearm. This corresponds to 42 million US households with firearms, and 57 million adult gun owners. ..."

"... A clear pattern that has emerged over the past several decades from these surveys is a persistent decline in household gun ownership..."

"...estimated that there were 192 million working firearms in the US in private hands. ..."

"... When respondents were asked, “What is the one most important reason that you own a handgun/long gun?” the most common response among those who owned a handgun was for self-defense (46%)..."

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Yes and I personally know people who are in the industry who will contacted by such sruveys, either hang-up the phone or throw it in the garbage.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

America isn't at a point where Britain might invade and set King George back in parliment. Your constitution needs to reflect the maturing of your Country and the population need to begin changing with it.

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The primary purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to protect us from our government.
The presidencies of Bush and Obama show that need has never gone away.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

What has changed ....

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The USA is no longer lacking a full-time, standing armed force.
The USA no longer lives in fear from invasion by the British, French or any other foreign nation.
The USA no longer is subject to internal fragmentation resulting in potential armed conflict.
The USA no longer lacks regulated law enforcement.
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You need protection from your government? Use the power of the VOTE and forget about your gun(s).


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