Do You Know the Real Islam?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Hmm, if religious faith (I am not going to debate here which one is correct. ) is fairy tale, why would man have to created it?
If there is no higher power, why would man create somthing for which he had no base (no knolwedge period of any such idea) or reason to create?

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Our brain is hardwired to try and make sense out of what we perceive... it was simply evolutionary favourable to believe in the supernatural.
Now we should really know better...
Since there is no higher power, why does man still create something for which he has no base (no knowledge period of any such idea) or reason to create? :crazy: :p

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Hmm, if religious faith (I am not going to debate here which one is correct. ) is fairy tale, why would man have to created it?
If there is no higher power, why would man create somthing for which he had no base (no knolwedge period of any such idea) or reason to create?

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Why do children make up imaginary friends?

Has Donkey has said, religion probably had some sort of evolutionary benefit. For example, tribes that were prepared to die for a 'god' and belief of afterlife might have made more loyal and aggressive fighters than opponent tribes that didn't have such beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

Except he didn't say that. He said that the use of condoms to combat HIV can backfire. I personally disagree with that but there have been medical studies showing that indeed some people receive free condoms but decline to use them, yet participate in more unprotected sex than they did before.



There are three ways HIV can spread.

Unprotected sex.
IV drug use.
Medical bodily fluid exchange.

Outside India the last of those three is pretty much non-existent. In most Western countries with aggressive needle exchange programmes the second is also much reduced.

In the UK and US you've chosen the biggest cause for HIV spread is indeed unprotected sex. You've talked about immigration from Sub-Saharan Africa where the spread of HIV is almost entirely due to 'liberal' attitudes to sex (I'd call it a misguided misogynistic attitude to sex personally). As for the native British population the greatest rise in HIV is also amongst heterosexuals who practice unprotected sex.

You say statistics are one-dimensional. What do you think then is the main route of HIV transmission in the UK and amongst the Sub-Saharan African population?

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I appreciate your point that you are making about the Roman Catholic moral guidance would in theory mean condoms aren't needed to fight HIV. But to be truly moral couldn't the church perhaps say:

1) be faithful to your partner
2) if you're likely to infect, don't have sex within marriage (or don't marry at all).
3) If you know you are likely to infect a potential spouse, tell them before you marry or the marriage is not a marriage.
4) If you do feel you need to use a condom, it's between you, your conscience and God.

Whether or not one is Catholic, people still hear the Pope's message across the world. Even in African countries where Catholics don't make up most of the population, the Catholic Church still plays a big role in medical services. The church's stance on condoms could potentially reduce supply of them.

Do you really think for one second that it would be any easier to get the whole of male population on the side of monogamy than it would be to get a significant proportion to use condoms?

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Our brain is hardwired to try and make sense out of what we perceive... it was simply evolutionary favourable to believe in the supernatural.
Now we should really know better...
Since there is no higher power, why does man still create something for which he has no base (no knowledge period of any such idea) or reason to create? :crazy: :p

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That would be because God put it there; whereas if there is no God, the need for such a thing is zero.
We supposedly evolved from animals but I have never seen an animal play with imaginary friends as another poster uses for a lame analogy.
If they did, there would have to be a pre-existing event or thing to recreate with imagination.

There is nothing in the theory of evolution to explain or justify man supposedly creating god because he did not remember where he came from, which would be from nothing and from nothing comes nothing so for some to make, a make believe story, whilst coming from a non-existant history of make believe storys makes the explanation why man would have to make up god the most bizarre fairy tale I ever heard.
If man evolved he can be hard wired for nothing, anything that is hard-wired is due to a pre-existing condition, or to cause a later condition from a pre-existing standard.
Evolution is strictly a game of chance, so that could not apply.

You are using the same make believe thought process that those who condemn people of religious faith, condemn people of faith, of having.
Their is no logic to defend it, so let's make one up.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Personally I beleive our existence to be the result of a complex biological reaction and a process that started many millions of years ago. I don't for one second beleive a person or a higher force is responsible for the creation of millions of species on this planet. If God created us and its reasonable to suggest there are other planets out there with life on them, then I think it would have been decent to tell us. Religion is great for an individual who needs stability and guidance, but its not for everyone and not everyone needs it in their life. I live for myself, my family and my friends and am not concerned in the slightest about what happens to me when I die. I can't see the point in living your life in fear of something that nobody has proved even exists. People turn that around and say well nobody has proved god doesn't exist but I've seen more proof to support my view personally. Each to their own and all that lol.

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Where did this complex biological material come from, and what supplied the energy?
From nothing comes nothing, so where did it come from.

Of course there is Dawkins who believes life came from crystals but I think such an obtuse statement says maybe he put to much faith in the CRYSTAL METHod.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Hmm, if religious faith (I am not going to debate here which one is correct. ) is fairy tale, why would man have to created it?
If there is no higher power, why would man create somthing for which he had no base (no knolwedge period of any such idea) or reason to create?

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Because religion was used to control and manipulate the people. In the case of religions such as Islam, it still does :(

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

From nothing comes nothing, so where did it come from.

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Nail...head...exactly. So where did a god come from then? Something had to create them, just like something had to happen for us to be around here!

As Arrows pointed out, I will not live my life in fear just because some book says I must. I'm enjoying my life, I am a loving father and husband and I do my fair share of goodwill work for my fellow man. If that makes me a "sinner" who's gonna fry for all eternity, so be it!

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Because religion was used to control and manipulate the people. In the case of religions such as Islam, it still does :(

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It's how you use it. You're being manipulated on a daily basis by commercial ads. Chances are, you give in, at least from time to time. Does it negate the idea of advertising?

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

It's how you use it. You're being manipulated on a daily basis by commercial ads. Chances are, you give in, at least from time to time. Does it negate the idea of advertising?

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I don't see a Coke ad and then run out and buy one. I make informed decisons on what I need not what adverts say I need when I actually don't! Advertising is for the week minded with an overdrawn credit card :p

I'm going to stick to my own religion, although the authorities won't recognise it as a religion. I'm a practicing member of the rally religion. Services are held regularly in forests all over the world, on gravel roads and on tarmac. To join the religion you must be prepared to spend many nights in the shed working in crappy lighting to get your car ready for the next event.

We worship the god's of rallying some still with us some gone to the great service park in the sky. Hallowed ground be near a 1000 lakes in a country far to the North, in Africa we worship in the land of the Safari, in the New World we spend time in the 100 acre wood. We idolise the the famous stages in the world such as Whaanga Coast in NZ, we will travel afar to meet with many of our kind. We are Rally!!!!

Ray