They can ask can't they? Anything illegal about asking? The FIA were 100% right for turning them down I have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
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They can ask can't they? Anything illegal about asking? The FIA were 100% right for turning them down I have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Your analogy is pure rubbish. Driving drunk is ILLEGAL. RBR's actions were 100% legal, if against the recommendations of the tyre manufacturer and there was a clear risk/reward which RBR obviously got right in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Absolutely - but if there was no issue, why ask in the first place? Maybe they asked when they realised that Pirelli were right about the damage to the tyre integrity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
None, but they were asking to be exempted from parc fermé conditions to change the setup on their cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Which is how it should be: if you choose to gamble on extreme setups and your gamble doesn't work they you should be penalised by dint of having to make extra pit stops. Not let off by being allowed to change your setup willy-nilly.Quote:
I'm sure they were monitoring things and if there was ever a chance of a tyre failure then bother drivers would have been brought in for new tyres.
Hypothetically then - IF one of their drivers had an accident, would they be free from legal action should the driver be harmed and his career shortened.....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Again. if's here, but the point is they were lucky, but were they right to put the drivers at risk?
This is the point - does a team/driver have a warning before a tyre fails? I don't think you can manage the issue if you cannot see what is happening internally to the construction of the tyre......Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Completely agree. I think RBR that if RBR were really worried then they should have manned up and took the penalty and changed the settings rather than asking for special dispensation for a problem that was self inflicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Were RBR being cheeky and perhaps to the extent of being whiney bitches? **** yes. But they won and as I said there seem to be no stories about how the Pirelli's were near to failure. I imagine that both Pirelli and RBR examined the tyres during the race and that they must have been deemed as being safe otherwise RBR wouldn't have continued on as they did. It's not like the championship fight is exactly close and they couldn't afford to drop some points.
Camber is quite straight forward really. I will refer to negative camber (top of tyres inwards)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Suspension on a F1 car is similar to a traditional Double wishbone setup on a road car (I mean similar before anyone jumps down my throat in that they have similar characteristics) in that under compression (cornering), weight is transferred to the outside tyre with compression and roll.
This dramatically heats up the outside of the tyre but when in a straight line, the inside of the tyre has most adhesion and hence builds up heat but not as much as during cornering. This leaves the middle of the tyre which is controlled by tyre pressure. F1 cars use inert tyre gas to minimise expansion during heating so the middle of the contact patch crowns during inflation. Hence under-inflation puts more pressure on the outer edges.
How much suspension movement,roll etc is defined by the strength of springs and determines optimum camber which is then tuned to the type of circuit (speed and corners) and weather conditions.
In Spa, there are some dramatic sections such as Eau Rouge into Rasillion and Blanchimont which put a lot of strain on tyres. Trying to get the balance right across the complete tyre contact patch is always a compromise because of the extreme change of load. Then you add the weather and teams are guessing on how to set the car up for Sunday.
I would also guess that RBR and McLaren increased tyre pressure slightly to level out the contact patch a bit and negate the camber slightly. The tyre will still blister but not as bad.
There is a small amount of fine adjustment that can be made to camber on a F1 car quite quickly but not in Parc Ferme conditions.
I guess that RBR were gambling on the soft side along with McLaren and struggled with the loading / unloading changes of tyre temp leading to overheating / cooling and blistering.
That is only said with hindsight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Back at Indy 2005 not a single Michelin tyre actually failed IIRC. It was just that Michelin detected abnormally high wear rates and couldn't guarantee their safety beyond a few laps. Presumably given your stance on RBR and Pirellis you would have been for the Michelin shod teams to ignore Michelin's recommendations and run the race regardless?
It matters not if it's illegal. They went beyond the physical limitations of the tyre. They knew what they were doing when they did it and tried to backtrack out of it. It was a stupid ****ing decision. Surely even you can see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel