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"the Thrust SSC broke the sound berrier" WHAAAAAT? When did this happen???












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Originally Posted by chuck34

But if instead of a 2010 Camaro, you used a prototype to a different design, it would be a new car. This is an all new tub. It may look the same on a quick look, but so would an F1 car to an untrained eye.

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Most effing fans out there have an untrained eye!

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So the "fans" keep b!tching about using museum/historic cars. Then they get a new one and they b!tch about it being "slow", and this before we even know it's speed. What do you want them to do besides use the DP-01 (which I honestly think would be the only thing to make some people happy).

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Uncap the hp limits on the current car, open up the design a bit, that would keep me happy. Just give me a faster car period. Don't care if it is new, old, pretty, ugly, doesn't matter. Make it fing fast and hard to drive!!!

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Go pull Bill Elliott's car from Talladega '88 and it will go faster than the current NASCAR car. So what?

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Have you noticed the declining attendance in NASCAR? ;)

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Originally Posted by chuck34

The people who want more passing in the sport give a F$%k.

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There is tons of passing in the series right now. When they aren't crashing into each other which has nothing to do with the handling of these cars. Has to do with idiots behind the wheel.

With Barnharts stupid passing zones and passing rules it really doesn't matter how much or how little turbulence comes off these cars when you are forced to leave an inside lane wide open.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Most effing fans out there have an untrained eye!

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Ok, so what would you have the league do? Deltawing? Closed cockpit? What? Then we'd have a whole 'nother group whining about it isn't an Indycar or something simmilar.

You (and Ken/Sarahfan) seem to somehow think this is just new body work on the old tub. It isn't, it's a whole new chassis. I don't know how much difference would please you guys. Like I said if you put an unpainted, stripped down Ferrari tub next to a new Dallara tub in the same condition you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But there is a difference.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Uncap the hp limits on the current car

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To an extent this is what they are doing. They are going to allow higher boost on the road courses. Or are you proposing a completely uncapped limit? Good luck with that. I'd love to see it too, but this is the real world.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

open up the design a bit, that would keep me happy.

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Again, this is what they are doing. It may not be at the start of next year, but at some point there will be different aero kits allowed. Why are you not happy about that? Sure it may not happen as soon as we may want, but it is coming (at least that's the plan now).

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Just give me a faster car period. Don't care if it is new, old, pretty, ugly, doesn't matter.

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But this car has the potential to be faster on road courses and you're still b!tching, why?

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Make it fing fast and hard to drive!!!

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Who's standard do we measure that against?

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Have you noticed the declining attendance in NASCAR? ;)

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Yep, my theory involves more about brand identity for that one, not speed reduction (see the rise in NASCAR popularity from the top of speed in '88 to about 2000). And they've also slowed down F1, and pretty much every series out there in the last 20 years or so. The reality of the day and age we live in. If you are advocating a "run what ya brung" series, move the stands back, have the drivers sign their lives away, and let 'er rip, then I'm with you. But that is not reality as it stands.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

There is tons of passing in the series right now. When they aren't crashing into each other which has nothing to do with the handling of these cars. Has to do with idiots behind the wheel.

With Barnharts stupid passing zones and passing rules it really doesn't matter how much or how little turbulence comes off these cars when you are forced to leave an inside lane wide open.

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Wasn't too long ago when I heard lots of whining about no passing or parades. I guess the race at Mid-Ohio must have been so long ago now that we've all forgotten.

I'm with you on the passing zone rule BS

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Ok, so what would you have the league do? Deltawing? Closed cockpit? What? Then we'd have a whole 'nother group whining about it isn't an Indycar or something simmilar.

You (and Ken/Sarahfan) seem to somehow think this is just new body work on the old tub. It isn't, it's a whole new chassis. I don't know how much difference would please you guys. Like I said if you put an unpainted, stripped down Ferrari tub next to a new Dallara tub in the same condition you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But there is a difference.

To an extent this is what they are doing. They are going to allow higher boost on the road courses. Or are you proposing a completely uncapped limit? Good luck with that. I'd love to see it too, but this is the real world.

Again, this is what they are doing. It may not be at the start of next year, but at some point there will be different aero kits allowed. Why are you not happy about that? Sure it may not happen as soon as we may want, but it is coming (at least that's the plan now).

But this car has the potential to be faster on road courses and you're still b!tching, why?

Who's standard do we measure that against?

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Yadda, yadda yadda. The new car accomplishes nothing. It is a new design to achieve the same results, or very close to the same results. That could have been accomplished with the DP-01.

What would I have had the league do? Any of a number of options but the simplest one would be to put the 1300 pound new car out on track with a 1000 horsepower. Problem solved!

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Yadda, yadda yadda. The new car accomplishes nothing. It is a new design to achieve the same results, or very close to the same results. That could have been accomplished with the DP-01.

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And the truth slips out. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

What would I have had the league do? Any of a number of options but the simplest one would be to put the 1300 pound new car out on track with a 1000 horsepower. Problem solved!

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I'd pay to see that. But it isn't gonna happen. What is your realistic solution?

So earlier I was telling my buddy how excited I was for 2012 and the new car.... He. Asked why... So I said it's going to have a newly designed undertray that produces less turbulence..... He said 'than what' and proceeded to punch me in the face

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So earlier I was telling my buddy how excited I was for 2012 and the new car.... He. Asked why... So I said it's going to have a newly designed undertray that produces less turbulence..... He said 'than what' and proceeded to punch me in the face

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Wow. Just wow. Why are you here. If nothing about Indycar excites you, then why are you here?

People b!tch about the series being "low tech". So the league gives them some different technologies on the car. They b!tch about it not being accessable to the fans.

People b!tch about the series having parades. So the league gives them a car with less turbulence to increase passing opportunities. They b!tch about it not being exciting enough.

People b!tch about the series not using turbos. So the league gives them a car with a turbo. They b!tch it isn't "uncapped".

People b!tch about the speeds being too low. So the league makes a car that can be faster on many tracks. They b!tch it isn't faster.

People b!tch about running museum/historic cars. So the league gives them distinctive looking new cars. They b!tch about the new car being "ugly" or still the same somehow.

People b!tch, people b!tch, people b!tch, people b!tch. And yet no one has even given the new car a chance. Nor has anyone given a REALISTIC alternative.

I know I'm comming off as defending the league and the car at all costs. I am not. I don't think it's perfect. There are lots of areas for improvement. But many of you are just ridiculous. There is one car that does not have the final body work. We have not seen any other alternative designs, we have not heard how it drives, we have not seen any times, we really don't know anything yet. This was the car's first shake down. Give it a chance, it has many of the features that the "fans" have said they want. That's all I'm saying.