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Originally Posted by Hondo
If you don't like my stance on what was meant to be an appeal for a non-violent resolution, perhaps my opinion on post #35, or #41 are more to your liking?
BTW this imagery of Great Britain being sodomized by the colonel is really clever.
Where would you say he penetrated, at the Thames or at a scenic trout stream in the Scottish Highlands closer to where the prisoner had been incarcerated? :confused:
Sounds quite a lot like his own rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondo
Who's to say his own rhetoric is wrong? I don't know the man and don't live there. I do know that al-Qaeda has been a major pain in the butt in Saudi Arabia ever since Iraq invaded Kuwait. With the western former powers unwilling or unable to get more involved in the Middle East, this would be a lovely time to stir the pot.
I meant in regards to people from said country having a revolution, not outside powers invading to do what they see fit :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I think you are paranoid! I myself am skeptical and I have stated so on this thread. The difference is that I will not unilaterally reject the belief that dialog and cooperation is something quite different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondo
Submitted for your antagonistic rejection:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/op...slaughter.html
I still think you have jumped the gun and, are trying to even a score on past trespasses. Your position is too simple minded to understand that diplomacy, and co-operation of the players in that part of the world is a real attainable goal. Perhaps you would dismiss this whole chapter in world history. The situation is dire in Libya but it still has a pulse.
These things take time. It is just your hatred of the current administration, and guilt about the underhandedness of the last that makes you want to see this situation fall apart. This particular one may, but it's only a matter of time, because this is an honest revolution. Hopefully someone who is less partisan, and vindictive will realize that this is a hinge-pin in the fight that has a much larger upside than down.
Although I doubt you actualy care for humanity in North Africa. Thankfully I am confident that this will get done with or without us in the not too distant future.
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The United States and Europe are temporizing on a no-flight zone while the Organization of the Islamic Conference, the Gulf Cooperation Council and now the Arab League have all called on the United Nations Security Council to authorize one. Opponents of a no-flight zone have put forth five main arguments, none of which, on close examination, hold up.
I see nothing paranoid in my statement. I can easily envision al-Qaeda in the back of the room, urging these rebels on. The article is merely additional opinion on the subject
First of all I apologize for assuming that I know what it is that motivates you politically, and the tone I used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondo
I do think that you are entitled to your opinion. We disagree profoundly in the arena of terror. Terror will never cease to exist. But I am of a strong opinion that happy free and truly democratic North Africa is a positive change for all these people.
The editorial is only an opinion.
An opinion of a professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton. Someone that has credentials in these matters.
The point I have been trying to make is that diplomacy is an ongoing process, with or without this one succeeding is not the end of the story.
I personally think that country would cultivate freedom as opposed to tyranny. I just have a hard time with hearing lame reasons not to supportf a country that is in revolt for all the right reasons. Technology has finally been the engine that helped these people realizes that they deserve more of what their dictators have tried to keep from them. The fear of terrorism should never trump liberty at home, or abroad only legitimate evidence will.
However I am willing to listen to, or read with keen interest anything that has legitimate connections to real evidence to dissuade me from thinking this movement is the real voice of these people's cause.
But paranoia, leading to unfounded self centered bigotry I will have none of.
I am hopeful for Africa
The Arab League is calling for the no fly zone, but it's time they stepped up and did something about it. This is an Arab issue and it's for the Arabian nations to solve their own problems. They have airforces and armies too, but I guess they don't want to be helping overthrow a dictatorship which would put their own position in doubt!
It's an interesting dilemia.
Lybia has had their membership suspended because of the current situation but of the other major members, half of them have their hands full with problems in their own Countries.
My view is that we should let them deal with it but if the League of Arab States does want to be proactive and impose a No Fly Zone, I would like to see Amr Moussa approach Nato with a request for assistance in a Joint operation.
The problem is as soon as any NATO jets get involved we'll hear universal cries of interference from America (even if America isn't involved!). Which would mark a new Libyan leadership out as being in the pocket of the west. This won't help local stability at all!