They had reason to complain, just like the Finnish working class in 1918 and the landless people in Zimbabwe. And they did complain, remember the Black Panthers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party
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They had reason to complain, just like the Finnish working class in 1918 and the landless people in Zimbabwe. And they did complain, remember the Black Panthers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party
Apparently you have never, ever in your life met unashamed racists, (I am speaking of racist in the literal definition of the word) and I am not speaking of individuals, otherwise you would not be making such obtuse generalizations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The landless people had a right to complain, to the point of murder, what was that right and who gave it to them?
From what you say murder is justifiable because if someone decides to do, just because.
I don't say murder is justifiable, I say it's understandable if some people who have been mistreated murder for revenge when they think they'll get away with it. Like they say, payback is a bitch, so you better watch how you treat other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Now see, what you call a fact and easily brand as nothing but overreaction is something more complex. It's easy to pass judgment when you haven't actually experienced it. You would have no idea unless you've actually lived your whole life as a minority or gone through discrimination on a daily basis, to understand why people's sensitivity gets molded this way and why they react in a certain manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
So, then what do you have to say about this? Christina Milian, the actress/singer was in Romania shooting for a movie. Here is the link and I quoted from the article down below as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Do you think she's oversensitive too or obsessed with people looking at her? Now, before you go defending your compatriots again, I just want to make it absolutely clear that I'm not branding the whole country as racist. I have good friends here and people who have been nothing but extremely nice to me.Quote:
CHRISTINA'S ROMANIAN NIGHTMARE: Milian Deals with Racism and Nick Cannon's Cheating in Eastern European Country.
August 7, 2006
Christina Milian *A reporter at the junket for Christina Milian's new film "Pulse" asked the star if traveling to Romania to shoot the film was one of those many perks that come along with the job. The actress-singer responded with a short burst of laughter before dropping her smile and asking, "Is that a joke?".....
And no one knew that Milian, the 24-year old daughter of Afro-Cuban parents, was experiencing all kinds of racism during her stay in the country.
"I wouldn't say it was a perk. It was an experience I will have in my mind forever and hopefully I won't get to experience it again," Milian finally told the reporter. "I'm not one that's easily like, 'prejudice!' I don't' easily point the finger that way, but when it's blatantly in your face, it's just depressing to see that it still goes on."
Milian said that among other things, there were Romanian people laughing and pointing at her while barking the words, "Black! Black! Black!" She also described an incident in a mall where she was the only one of her white crew sweated unnecessarily by security.
"Rick Gonzalez is another actor in the film as well, and he dealt with it too," she said. "It took me to another place, I'll tell you, because when I got back home from the movie, I had a huge appreciation for home. But, at the end of the day, it's like how can you blame these people, sometimes? What are you exposed to? You don't know what they're being exposed to."
Milian, a native of Jersey City, NJ who grew up in Waldorf, Md., said she decided to channel the anger and frustration of the experiences into Isabel Fuentes, the character she plays in "Pulse."
But you can't turn a blind eye and deny completely that there are some idiots who make other honestly nice people look bad with their disgusting behavior. I know you can say you're not racist or at least don't discriminate, but you can't account for the rest of them. ;)
Big assumption there gringo!Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
What majority do I belong to. In a diverse society, we are all in a minority of some type or another.
Lets have a look shall we at my situation in the country I live; England. I am Male, white and Employeed.
Sex - Male so I am already in a minority. I have also been in that minority all my life and cannot envisage that changing.... probably ;)
Have I been discriminated against my whole life?
Well, women have lower wages so have I been positivly descriminated against? Then again, women get maternity leave and breaks in their career so have I been negativly descriminated against. Men now have been recognised (after generations of descrimination) as being a necessary part of the family structure and receive a small paternity entitlement so perhaps slowly the descrimination is being redressed but then again, the allowance is not the same so there is still a way to go and the man is expected to just carry on working in most situations and the women to raise the children. Is this right, is this fair?
Then we have the class that don't work. I have to support them whether I want to or not. I have to pay for things like my dental care when they dont and buy a house because I am not entitled to state housing. Is this discriminating against me? But what if I want to work? I can go for a job and be refused on grounds of sex, ability or race. I may not be disabled enough or because I'm not the correct sort of mix of ethnicity, do not qualify as fulfilling a race quota. Or it may be that I am in the minority of sexual gender in this country, I am not suitable for a position as the company wants to increase the amount of the majority and encourage the aforesaid mothers back to take my job!
Then we have my ethnicity. I am white european and am of mixed origins (or whatever the current buzz word is). Yet, it's perfectly acceptable to be refered to me as "You Brits blah, blah, blah, rant, rant" or "You white folk, (insert racist insult and generalisations here)" without anyone batting an eyelid. If I said "Indians this" or "Paki's that" I would be slated and probably arrested.
Problem is, I can be discriminated against because of my age, sex, ethnicity, employment, physical ability and there is no comeback. Could you imagine the furore if a job advert said "White people only" or "No disabled" or "Women need not apply" but if it's the other way around then it's fine.
So my friend. You tell me. Have I been discriminated against all my life or doesn't that count because..........
Jokes are meant to make you cheerful therefore they don't express hatred. They generally are made about controversial issues or to exploit the weak points of certain categories. Just checked a romanian site with jokes. Among different categories I've noticed jokes about: albanese, transyvanians, jews, scotts, moldavians, oltenians, black people, somalese, gipsies, hungarians.
But there are other categories like blondes, doctors, priests, homosexuals, hunters and fishermen, canibals, peasants, schools, political, policemen, army, drunkers, etc.etc.
Now if I say a joke about president Obama doesn't mean I have something against him, I just want to have a laugh. On the other hand if I'm blonde I have enough sense of humour to laugh at a good joke about blonde's intelligence.
I'm not in denial of such cases but the incident that started this thread is really a storm in a glass of water.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Your Christina may have a "nightmare" indeed ( she said those lies probably to be in the press for something because her career is far from being notable. There's no mall in Romania where people will be surprised by a black woman ) but on the other hand I'm sick of loads of foreign nothings who fill the tabloids with invented stories about their "experiences" here. Why Wesley Snipes or 50 Cent ( who no offence but both are really ugly ) haven't such nightmares? ( on the contrary...:laugh :) .
Let's not forget that foreign papers are full of lies about us. Cluj is a really nice and civilised city but the swiss journalists who came here for a football match saw only old cottages inhabited by gipsies ( they have to apologize later :laugh: ).
What you described there is something that pretty much every middle class man has to go through their life, and trust me I've seen much, much worse, not talking here about me but an observation of an average middle class man back home. You've got it WAY better, trust me. So, when you talk about discrimination against your sex and age, that's how your society is structured and almost everyone, black or white or brown or yellow, has to go through this.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
But answer me this, have you ever been racially discriminated against or how often have you seen white folks getting racially discriminated against? While I've seen plenty of guys getting shortchanged only because of the color of their skin.
I agree that there are some idiots who cry "Racism!" at the drop of the hat, but there are plenty others that don't, and it's wrong to generalize everyone in the same pool, when unknown to you they might have gone through something totally legit. Add also to the fact that racial discrimination during childhood can scar a person mentally in a bad way, and hence they can become oversensitive to these things.
You said at the start of your post that you're not in denial of such cases, but later you completely contradicted yourself. :laugh: And just wonderful, so she's probably lying to promote her career, but NO! there can be absolutely NO racism or ethnic hatred or discrimination in Romania in Mr. gadjo dilo's opinion. :laugh: Romanians are God's gift to the world, and when they fart only bunnies come out, sprinkling flowers, spreading joy and prosperity everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Why do you have such a hard time admitting that there MIGHT be racist people in your country? I mean you've heard more than enough accounts, but yet you keep trying to dismiss them as lies or in some cases obsession or oversensitivity. This is straight up denial man. I know you're proud of your country and all, but at least try to open your mind to the possibility of something. I am an Indian and I'm man enough to admit that there are plenty of racist incidents and racism in India, which I'm not proud of.
And why the heck would she lie about what happened to her in Romania to move her career forward in America man? I've actually met some Americans who don't even know if a country called Romania exists. They thought it dissolved into Russia. :laugh: She would get more traction if she said the same lie about a place like UK or Germany, would get way much more press. On top of this, she's a well established singer, and a talented and active one at that too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Milian. As far as acting goes, she's nothing special, but still worthwhile. Also, her ONLY racism complaint was when she came to Romania, so this is clearly not a person who cries racism at every chance.
As for Wesley Snipes and 50 Cent goes, I'm going to take a page out of your book and deny that they DIDN'T have a bad experience. :p Maybe they had to face racism, but didn't tell anyone. ;) In all seriousness though, Snipes is a major movie star and well known, so is 50 Cent as a musician. You can just see Romanian teenagers all dressing up like him, trying to imitate the rapper dress code, while Romanians have not been exposed to Christina Milian that much, so I guess that explains it.