Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by truefan72

massa's words in the press conference are telling

if the FIA don't investigate this then they loose all credibility.
because I tell you if it was mclaren, they would have already issued an investigation notice and alter on today banned both drivers for the next race and stripped them of points.

This to me is what needs to happen because they clearly broke the rules. It is not even a gray area matter but a straight up breaking of the rules. So we will wait and see if the fIA are going to live by their rules or loose all credibility

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Absolutely, the rule could not be more clearly written.

Article 39:1 clearly states "Team Orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited"

What Ferrari did was in clear violation of that rule.

In all this though, we forget that there was a victim in all this, Felipe Massa. He led close to 50 laps and deserved the win today, I cant imagine what he must be like at the moment.

What happens if you have put money on Massa to win? Especially as team orders are banned, or are they?

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Rob Smedley, Race Engineer to Felipe Massa, does not expect German Grand Prix winner Fernando Alonso to be handed a penalty following Massa’s yielding to the Spaniard on Sunday.


However, following a radio message stating, ‘Fernando-is-faster-than-you ; can you confirm that message?’ the Brazilian slowed to allow the former double Champion past on Lap 48.

“I don’t expect any penalties whatsoever because Alonso was just faster and Massa made a small mistake when shifting up three gears at once,” Smedley told Germany’s Sky Sports after the race.

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Disgusting, Rob. Grow some balls.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...lonso-penalty/

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Originally Posted by DazzlaF1

Absolutely, the rule could not be more clearly written.

Article 39:1 clearly states "Team Orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited"

What Ferrari did was in clear violation of that rule.

In all this though, we forget that there was a victim in all this, Felipe Massa. He led close to 50 laps and deserved the win today, I cant imagine what he must be like at the moment.

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true, but it will now take a formal protest by someone as I have seen nothing where it says race result is provisional and the stewards are investigating the race results

anyone have any info on that?

(funny is how ferrari seems to be acting as though there already is an investigation)

Where's Garry Walker? I can't wait for that foo' to drop a nuclear bomb on this joint.

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

What happens if you have put money on Massa to win? Especially as team orders are banned, or are they?

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Ha, I was going to put a bet on Massa and didn't, as I knew Ferrari wouldn't let him win. Didn't think it would be this blatant though.

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Originally Posted by aki13

I think the press conference was very telling, it didn't show Ferrari and one of their drivers in a good light.

Alonso saying something along the lines of "I saw Massa have a problem at the hairpin and struggle to get out of the corner and I took advantage as you don't get many chances to pass in F1".

Who does he think he is, believing we are dumb enough to buy that. Insulting

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very insulting. We are not idiots

the only thing massa was struggling was, was coming to grips with what he was hearing over his radio, he basically pulled over and let mr.crybaby through.

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Originally Posted by christophulus

Disgusting, Rob. Grow some balls.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...lonso-penalty/

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Wow! Rob expects fans to buy that crap?

“I don’t expect any penalties whatsoever because Alonso was just faster and Massa made a small mistake when shifting up three gears at once.”

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by markabilly

true, but it will now take a formal protest by someone as I have seen nothing where it says race result is provisional and the stewards are investigating the race results

anyone have any info on that?

(funny is how ferrari seems to be acting as though there already is an investigation)

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There doesnt always need to be a protest, the FIA can investigate this on their own accord like they do with on-track incidents like...well...Alonso cutting the chicane to pass Kubica 2 weeks ago.

Oh and as I noticed up on the thread, im reminded of Alonso's "this race is manipulated" moan over the radio just 4 weeks ago in Valencia, I sense a bit of hypocrisy.

Question.

If the rule wasn't bought in to ban team orders a while ago, would the reaction be different.

Don't get me wrong I am really disappointed with the way things happened, but I would just like to know.