Schumacher !!! Should he call it quits

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20th July 2010, 08:16
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Who the best ever is a very personal idea - but you really dont believe that he is "not even close"? Do you?

yes, i do. we've seen last year that a mediocre driver (don't take it personally) can win a wdc in a dominant car. The cars MS drove made him look much better than he actually was... remember those people saying that he could win in a Minardi?
20th July 2010, 08:47
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

What do the truly great drivers have in common? 99% of other drivers that drive THEIR cars, declare the vehicle undriveable. That is their ability.

I've heard that said about Schumacher (Berger & Alesi being noteable examples), but who else? I don't recall it being said about Fangio, Clark, Prost or Senna.
20th July 2010, 11:10
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by Roamy

When is mr great going to start beating rosberg ioan?

Still avoiding the proof question I see. Empty barrels make the most...
20th July 2010, 12:31
Retro Formula 1

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Originally Posted by eu

yes, i do. we've seen last year that a mediocre driver (don't take it personally) can win a wdc in a dominant car. The cars MS drove made him look much better than he actually was... remember those people saying that he could win in a Minardi?

Interesting point. What makes a good driver?

Button proved last year that he could drive a good car to be WDC. He certainly didn't have the best car all year but the Brawn was superior for the first 4 or 5 races. Perhaps not to the extent that the Red Bull is this year but it had an advantage over the rest of the field.

To win the Championship, he first had to beat his team mate who is considered a good driver and one that on occassions bested Schumacher in his prime.

Now we have Button against Hamilton and we see that although he may not have the out and out raw pace of Hamilton (and we need to consider he has started in a brand new car where Lewis has had years to get used to the McLaren), his guile and race craft, couples with his exquisite control and strategy in the wet, means he is a small step from leading the world championship from his team mate.

I'm not some fanboy of Jensons although I have supported him for years but judge him on his results. For a mediocre driver, he's not doing too bad is the 2nd fastest car out there (at best).

Then compare his performance with a Mr Schumacher who recently claimed the Mercedes is the 3rd fastest car (argueable but Rosberg is getting results I suppose) and you really must admit that being mediocre is much better than being considered the best driver of all time (yada, yada) as far as results go.
20th July 2010, 12:36
CNR

with mercedes owning 40 % of mclaren will mercedes be allowed to transferred any of the parts to next year's mercedes car ?
20th July 2010, 14:52
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by skc

Interesting point. What makes a good driver?

Button proved last year that he could drive a good car to be WDC. He certainly didn't have the best car all year but the Brawn was superior for the first 4 or 5 races. Perhaps not to the extent that the Red Bull is this year but it had an advantage over the rest of the field.

To win the Championship, he first had to beat his team mate who is considered a good driver and one that on occassions bested Schumacher in his prime.

Now we have Button against Hamilton and we see that although he may not have the out and out raw pace of Hamilton (and we need to consider he has started in a brand new car where Lewis has had years to get used to the McLaren), his guile and race craft, couples with his exquisite control and strategy in the wet, means he is a small step from leading the world championship from his team mate.

I'm not some fanboy of Jensons although I have supported him for years but judge him on his results. For a mediocre driver, he's not doing too bad is the 2nd fastest car out there (at best).

Then compare his performance with a Mr Schumacher who recently claimed the Mercedes is the 3rd fastest car (argueable but Rosberg is getting results I suppose) and you really must admit that being mediocre is much better than being considered the best driver of all time (yada, yada) as far as results go.

JB is a good driver but there are quite a few that seem to be better.

Maybe I'm wrong but IMO JB stands no chance against LH. You call it strategy I call it gamble. I think JB was given enough credit for those races. It's time to start beating his team mate in normal conditions too.
20th July 2010, 18:29
Roamy

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Still avoiding the proof question I see. Empty barrels make the most...

Been there done that - The Schumi Idols have their heads so far up his ass they can't read.

you can try google however!!
20th July 2010, 19:57
ioan

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Originally Posted by Roamy

When is mr great going to start beating rosberg ioan?

I will wait and see when he starts beating Rosberg regularly, he already beat him this season in a few races.

Just be patient.
20th July 2010, 19:57
ioan

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Been there done that - The Schumi Idols have their heads so far up his ass they can't read.

you can try google however!!

No offense but you obviously don't know what 'idol' means.
20th July 2010, 20:01
ioan

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Originally Posted by eu

I don't know what Alonso has to do with this. I don't think he's the greatest. I believe there's no way one could say who's the greatest ever. That's just a stupid thing fanboys would say about their idols. Please stop with these ridiculous reactions and this my boy against your boy attitude. I've told you more than once that I don't share your passion for any driver

Another load...
There is always a way to do everything, you just have to try hard enough.
Or maybe you prefer believing that there is no way, given that the only objective way are the numbers and the result is not to your liking?!

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