Red Bull + Wings

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Originally Posted by Ari

No offence and all... but are you on drugs?

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Why, you lookin to score some? Though perhaps you should ask something like that in PM... :p :

though I fail to see how that relates to Webber/Vettel or the new wing...

Of course, maybe you are trying to find some for Mark? But after his post Qualifying comment about wanted to trade starting spots with Alonso I'm sure he already has a supplier.

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Originally Posted by Ent

Actually, that sounds far dumber than the original post. A manufactured pit stop would have dropped Webber down the running order and ruined his race. They would have lost their one-two finish and stuffed everything up. They're talking about favourtism, not attempting to ruin a driver. Red Bull as a team still want maximum points. Red Bull were not in a position in Monaco to swap the drivers even if they wanted to as Webber was too fast. The first opportunity they really had to swap drivers was in Turkey where it certainly seems that the team tried to get Vettel in front of Webber, hence why it's a fair example.

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Admittedly I had gotten Monaco and Spain confused a little, but having given a quick view of Monaco over at visionf1, my point still remains, if Webber truly is #2 at Red Bull they would have managed a position swap somehow at Monaco.

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Originally Posted by ioan

None of them is German.

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The Austrians in the Red Bull camp make an error on the marketing side if that is their game.

Webber is a far better marketing personality in places like the United States, Canada, United Kingdom and all the English speaking countries because he is easy to identify with.

That old "question" - who would you like to sit and have a beer with? Webber or Vettel? Webber wins hands downin my view.

Vettel has an aura of "stiffness" as opposed to Mark's affability.

However a busnessman like Mateschitz still surprises me over this and I would love someone to interview him on what has happened at RBR since Istanbul Park.

Red Bull is quickly becoming the BULL team in f1 and while Horner has always looked somewhat slimey to me anyway - now I consider the team managment to be a bunch of liars.

Who the hell is in charge of PR? Helmet Marko?! :eek:

It was Dietrich Mateschitz who made both Horner and Marko back down on their accusations at Turkey. I just wonder what his take on this controversy is, but I suspect it will not be a happy response from him. I hope he fires Horner.

Horner has admitted he regrets not talking to Mark before the wing was removed.

That is staggering! They didn't even have the decency to tell him in advance it was going to be taken off !

The more I hear, the more I wonder if Horner even knew it was going to be taken off Mark or if "them upstairs" are pulling all the strings and leaving Christian to face the music on their behalf.

RBR have shown themeslfs two years in a row to be tactically lacking in chasing a world championship.

Now they are unable to man manage their drivers without causing major problems.

Clearly the problems are coming from the top, Marko and Horner have to go, no doubt about it.

Neither will be sent packing because decisions like these come directly from Vienna.

And what does not help is Vettel's de facto manager, BCE, weighing in and declaring that the German will be the WDC in 2010 and that he would never have believed that Webber could have performed like this.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

The Austrians in the Red Bull camp make an error on the marketing side if that is their game.

Webber is a far better marketing personality in places like the United States, Canada, United Kingdom and all the English speaking countries because he is easy to identify with.

That old "question" - who would you like to sit and have a beer with? Webber or Vettel? Webber wins hands downin my view.

Vettel has an aura of "stiffness" as opposed to Mark's affability.

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Not particularly politically correct and dare I say bordering on racist remarks.

Mark is burning bridges.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Not particularly politically correct and dare I say bordering on racist remarks.

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what else did you expect?
he manages to boil down a multinational outfit actually based in england with 2 drivers from germany and Australia and a parent company with a truly global reach and sports sponsorships into a simplistic "the austrians" view of matters.

RBR are making decisions vis-a-vis the vettel/webber thing based on driver preference and fear of losing vettel to ferrari rather than any nationalist sentiments or global marketing strategies for the drinks.

The company is doing quite well without the need of either driver being their face men. In fact so well that they managed to buy 2 F1 teams and run them with their own advertising on there.