Nationwide - New England 200

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Originally Posted by beachbum

This thread is like the current media. The REAL racers are being lost in the media circus of a novelty act.

But Shrub's performance in Nationwide cars is rather amazing. At only 25 he has now lead more laps that any other driver. Just how great will / can he become? In some ways, he hasn't even reached his prime. It is almost a big story when he doesn't win.

Like some others (like Tony Stewart, DW), his mouth has gotten him in trouble, but he seems to be mellowing a bit in that regard. He still hates to win so much that when he doesn't he is a bit of a whiner, but is that bad? He REALLY wants to win everything. The difference the past year or so is that he doesn't give up when there is no hope of a win and he isn't running into people as much. He is getting all the car has.

I am starting to like the guy. He is sure fun to watch.

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He is all of that.. that..but he is an arrogant little turd.....and I likely will never warm up to him.

No...I missed the race, saw the highlights..and I am still trying to figure out how DanicaFan saw the little tap and spin with Sheppard and figures it is Morgan's fault. My god, if she thinks Morgan plays rough, don't let her try pinching the Shrub or Carl Edwards? She will be in the wall and not coming out!

Delusional ideas such as Danica racing a Cup car are always fun from people who don't understand racing.

Danica being the most delusional of all, but it is clear too many people in ESPN's management have it too. Danica will find trouble on the race track again and again and again in NASCAR because she doesn't understand give and take, and doesn't understand what she needs to do during the race to make it better. She doesn't understand that the art of NASCAR is driving the imperfect race car as fast as you can.... and she doesn't understand that Morgan Sheppard is one the most gentle and sportsmanlike drivers out there, because if she is going to blame him, it proves once and for all the woman is blitering idiot.

ON some level, Milka Duno I think knows she is a fraud....Danica on the other hand..has NO clue....

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

He is all of that.. that..but he is an arrogant little turd.....and I likely will never warm up to him.

No...I missed the race, saw the highlights..and I am still trying to figure out how DanicaFan saw the little tap and spin with Sheppard and figures it is Morgan's fault. My god, if she thinks Morgan plays rough, don't let her try pinching the Shrub or Carl Edwards? She will be in the wall and not coming out!

Delusional ideas such as Danica racing a Cup car are always fun from people who don't understand racing.

Danica being the most delusional of all, but it is clear too many people in ESPN's management have it too. Danica will find trouble on the race track again and again and again in NASCAR because she doesn't understand give and take, and doesn't understand what she needs to do during the race to make it better. She doesn't understand that the art of NASCAR is driving the imperfect race car as fast as you can.... and she doesn't understand that Morgan Sheppard is one the most gentle and sportsmanlike drivers out there, because if she is going to blame him, it proves once and for all the woman is blitering idiot.

ON some level, Milka Duno I think knows she is a fraud....Danica on the other hand..has NO clue....

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Well said. Back when I was involved in racing, there were always racers who always seemed to get caught up in various on track problems, while others seemed to miss all of the "action". The difference wasn't talent or even speed, but awareness. The nice technical term is "situational awareness". Some racers had to hit an object before they knew it was there while others just seemed to "sense" where everything was on track and what was going to happen next. They often seemed to react to an incident even before it happened. The former had lots of "incidents" while the latter seemed to always have nice results.

Danice seems so wound up in herself that she doesn't seem to have a clue about her surroundings. She drives like she is the only one on track. I have always felt the only reason she has had some good results in the IRL was that no one trusted her enough to race her hard. They would just let her go. That won't happen in NASCAR and lately even the other IRL drivers are getting more forceful. I still don't think they trust her, but when pressed, she usually backs off.

She doesn't know what sportsmanship is, and I suspect never will. She has zero respect for other drivers - on or off of the track. If there is one thing that isn't tolerated on track is a lack of respect. Eventually, there will be a payback.

But going after 68 year old Morgan Sheppard? Yeah she is a blithering idiot.

Mark, Morgan did take her out but it was not intentional. Morgan Shepherd is a very nice and humble driver, it was not on purpose. But, Morgan did get loose and hit Danica. It was not her fault.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Mark, Morgan did take her out but it was not intentional. Morgan Shepherd is a very nice and humble driver, it was not on purpose. But, Morgan did get loose and hit Danica. It was not her fault.

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DanicaFan, you're right it wasn't her "fault" as has been pointed out here. But you (you being Danica) have to understand the situation. She didn't give him any room and he had to pinch the car down and got loose. It is racing, no big deal on his end. On her end, the situation is she's racing for basically last and should've drifted high and let him go. Live to race another lap. She is the driver of the 2 that could have AVOIDED the incident...but she's not that smart to recognize that.

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Originally Posted by harvick#1

well when the Toyota program is basically second to none, its pretty easy for him, pray the new car will start evening out the playing field, the Toyotas seem to just have more power over the rest of the field

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kyle who, this is his 6th full season and he has won how many Championships......"0"........Gordon won a Championship in his 3rd full season.
People can talk all they want about Kyle but he has won "zip" Championships going into his 6th season.

Kyle's average career finish is 15.9.
Harvick has an average career finish of 15.4.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Mark, Morgan did take her out but it was not intentional. Morgan Shepherd is a very nice and humble driver, it was not on purpose. But, Morgan did get loose and hit Danica. It was not her fault.

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Yes, it was her fault - or at least just an avoidable incident.

As many have said, she didn't do anything, which is the whole problem. She should have given a bit of room and respect. She didn't and pinched Morgan and she ended up in the wall.

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Originally Posted by muggle not

kyle who, this is his 6th full season and he has won how many Championships......"0"........Gordon won a Championship in his 3rd full season.
People can talk all they want about Kyle but he has won "zip" Championships going into his 6th season.

Kyle's average career finish is 15.9.
Harvick has an average career finish of 15.4.

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I was talking more about the worthless Nationwide series now, the Toyota's have such an edge its as many drivers have said "monkeys can drive that car and win"

I kinda laugh that the media makes Kyle like an amazing driver, but while he can be very fast for the first 10 laps into runs, watch the long runs and after he tortured his tires, he moves right to the back.

but to the Cup Statistics as well comparing drivers

harv: 339 starts, 15 dnfs
kyle: 203 starts, 20 dnfs

Kyle doesnt normally know how to stay outta trouble :p :

Ok all, as many of you have probably figured out on your own, the is some kind of technical problem affecting the forum today. We are aware of it but we are still not sure what is going on.

I am placing this in this thread for a few reasons, not the least of which is that I cannot create a new thread.

The other is because the discussion is starting to head down a road it doesn't need to go (remember the first post I made after becoming moderator about attacking the post and not the poster).

Unfortunately , because of the technical problem the forum is experiencing I can not edit posts at this time, nor can I PM the offending party to let them know that they have messed up, nor can I asses an infraction to the person(s) that may have allegedly stepped over the line, but I am sure that this technical issue will be resolved in short order.

So, when it is, don't be surprised IF you receive a little something in your inbox, whomever that may be that might receive something.

I will say this, no body will be getting banned for anything I have seen before this post, so everyone can breathe a little easier.

I do apologize for having to do this publicly, the tech gremlins leave me no other choice.

That is all....

okay, I apologize for what I said, and promise to read each letter of each post by danica fan, and it was ALL my fault for having said what I said back many months or years ago about DP and her go cart.....but I still got this mental image of her in that ...... :eek:
BTW--Next time anyone hears the odds are 100 to 1 that she will blame someone else for her next accident, just let me know, cause I need some easy money :D



PS edit:
Sorry harvick, I apologize, I know you meant the odds were a 100 to 1 that she would take responsibility, and as punishment for that sin, I promise to read each and every letter of each post by slory dn1, some day down the road, no matter how boring

And beachgirl, "not my fault" did make me laugh, as that also gave me many mental images of how that might ACTUALLY be true, and I apologize for the times I may have offended thee, by defending sweet dp.

And finally, even now, the press on the net, is still talking about the "DP brand" ..... :rolleyes:

I would say something about branding....but i better keep that mental image only in my head....

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Originally Posted by harvick#1

harv: 339 starts, 15 dnfs
kyle: 203 starts, 20 dnfs

Kyle doesnt normally know how to stay outta trouble :p :

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harv: 339 starts, 12 wins (3.5%)
kyle: 203 starts, 18 wins (8.8%)

But Kyle does know how to win. Ya wanna compare winning statistics in the Nationwide series?