IndyCar returning to New Hampshire

To call_me_andrew: Thanks for the link to http://www.racing-reference.info/tra...ional_Speedway. What an excellent site!

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

lol...I personally don't like the exhaust note of this Honda incarnation as much as I liked the old turbo's that ran at Nazerath...

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Several years ago I think Hoop98 gave a good explanation as to why the previous generation IRL engines had a rather flatulent sound. I think that was when he also spoke about how mufflers could be used (without decreasing horsepower) to "tune" an engine sound to be more pleasant to the average human ear. But I believe the rapid-fire farting sound had more to do with the crank than just the exhaust configuration.

I know how much hell ALMS went through with the D.C. ALMS race. Hopefully the Baltimore IRL race won't be faced with those same NIMBY and noise issues.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Several years ago I think Hoop98 gave a good explanation as to why the previous generation IRL engines had a rather flatulent sound. I think that was when he also spoke about how mufflers could be used (without decreasing horsepower) to "tune" an engine sound to be more pleasant to the average human ear. But I believe the rapid-fire farting sound had more to do with the crank than just the exhaust configuration.

I know how much hell ALMS went through with the D.C. ALMS race. Hopefully the Baltimore IRL race won't be faced with those same NIMBY and noise issues.

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90 deg crank like stock cars so they sounded like them. Switced to 180 or flat about 02 or 03 but reality never has much to do with sound descriptions. Then the difference was RPM and the muffling by the turbo. With a 90deg crank you need to cross two cylinders over to the other bank to get "360" sound and extraction

https://02e267b.netsolstores.com/ima...mk1-engine.jpg

Of course a vote on the preferred sound amongst all "race fans" has never been done, might be surprised how many would vote for that american sound.

Kinda like Harley vs Ninja....

The 5 car showed up at Daytona in the early 90's with 180 headers and had everyone scratching their watches and winding their butts!

Good explanation here.

http://www.burnsstainless.com/bundleofsnakes-2.aspx

Bruiton Smith and Randy B officially announced the race today. It will be held July 30, 2011. More at http://www.nhms.com/media/news/575132.html.

Tickets go on sale tomorrow!!!

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Originally Posted by Hoop-98

The 5 car showed up at Daytona in the early 90's with 180 headers and had everyone scratching their watches and winding their butts!

Good explanation here.

http://www.burnsstainless.com/bundleofsnakes-2.aspx

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I guess my vote would be obvious because I thought those cars were he coolest sounding stock cars ever...... I think Sterling Marlin and the Kodak car were running those and won....

I rember them. They had a very different sound and were FAAAAST.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I know how much hell ALMS went through with the D.C. ALMS race. Hopefully the Baltimore IRL race won't be faced with those same NIMBY and noise issues.

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The DC race was held in a residential neighborhood. Not really a very smart thing from the beginning. There were houses where a person could stand in the front yard and throw a rock onto the racing surfance.

And ALMS didn't go through hell, it was the idiotic promoters.

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Originally Posted by champcarray

To call_me_andrew: Thanks for the link to http://www.racing-reference.info/tra...ional_Speedway. What an excellent site!

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Originally Posted by Starter

It was held in the parking lots of DC Stadium, the former home of the Redskins, who created more noise and traffic on any home Sunday than the race.

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The difference level of noise is very debatable. Plus, a "Redskins Game" only happened on one day, and the game only lasts a few hours. This race weekend went on for three days, and with several racing series (ALMS, The SCCA Speed Channel Sponsored Series, Trans Am, and Formula Mazda I believe) to be run, the engine noise (some of it quite loud) went on nearly incessantly the whole time. The Trans-Am and Panoz LMP were particularly loud.

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Originally Posted by Starter

There was one block of housing facing the track area. That was it. The promoters offered to put all of the residents up in one of DC's best hotels for the weekend if they wanted to get away from the noise.

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Thanks, glad you admit it was in a residential area. And there was one block of houses right across the street from the track, with block after block of houses right behind that.

Maybe they didn't want to go to a hotel, maybe they just wanted to stay in their homes.

Face it, you can put all of the "racing fan spin" all you want to on this, but holding a three day race event in a residential area is a DUMB idea. Hey, I was there on the Friday and Sunday and loved it, but even before the event happened I knew that it was sheer idiocy holding a race there.

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A strong argument can be made for not having any race event on public streets between noise and serious traffic issues because of the impact on roads during construction of the course.

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I think there is a big difference in holding a street race in a commerical area where there are restaurants, bars, and hotels which benefit from the holding event, and holding it in a residential area where none of those things exist, but where there are people who will get tired of hearing the loud sound of racing engines continuosly for three days.

I'm sorry, but I went to many Redskins games at RFK and the sound of the cheers wasn't anywhere close to the sound of those racing engine. (Of course, in my humble opinion.)

Hey, don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a track here in the DC area where ALMS could have an annual event.