Pastrana does it again

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Originally Posted by JAM

I don't expect nothing from Pastrana, for me the question is not the driver, but the promotion of WRC.

Do you want figures? Do you think that the majority of TV news around the world didn't notice that? In Portugal we have 3 main TV channels, usually one of them broadcast lite reports form WRC events, but this time two of them broadcasted a report about this jump.

And you? Do you have figures to prove that i'm wrong?!? :D

One thing is sure. All USA saw it, and more than half of Europe also. Usually WRC is seen by ahlef of europeans and only a few americans. Globaly, this jump had for sure more viewers that WRC events. A friend of mine who work in Zuhai told me that saw it in China TV!!!

I want real rallying, but we need this kind of entertainment to promote the real rallying near the ones that don't usually see rallies. If WRC wants to grow, ISC needs much more promotion than we had at the moment. This is the central point.

But ok, when ISC replaced Eurosport by MotorsTV, we understand that they don't want more viewers...

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I hear you on the fact it needs better promotion. But what are you actually suggesting here? I also wouldn't kid yourself that the whole of America and at least half of Europe has seen this. Should ISC try and do a jump? With what money? And would that not just be false advertising?

I say the best thing they can do is work with event organisers to try and take respective events into centrally populated areas as much as possible. Whether this is service parks, ceremonial starts and even better stages or demonstration runs. Now this isn't easy to do and costs money, time and planning. But if you're town grinds to a standstill one afternoon you might just hear about it or get caught up in it. And it will make the news. That's all I can suggest because this jump has clouded people's brains from what I can tell.

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Originally Posted by Simmi

I hear you on the fact it needs better promotion. But what are you actually suggesting here? I also wouldn't kid yourself that the whole of America and at least half of Europe has seen this. Should ISC try and do a jump? With what money? And would that not just be false advertising?

I say the best thing they can do is work with event organisers to try and take respective events into centrally populated areas as much as possible. Whether this is service parks, ceremonial starts and even better stages or demonstration runs. Now this isn't easy to do and costs money, time and planning. But if you're town grinds to a standstill one afternoon you might just hear about it or get caught up in it. And it will make the news. That's all I can suggest because this jump has clouded people's brains from what I can tell.

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I belive it differs much how rally is promoted and showed in different countries, here we have no reason to complaine, there is quite much in tv, national championship, groupF, and offcourse WRC, for instance from our own WRC event they start showing from the tests with different interviews 1 month before the actual rally already, and from the rally several times a day about maybe 2 hours/day, and during the rally offourse quality rally radio.

exactly...exposure differs from country to country and i doubt that bringing clowns in the WRC will make 3rd world countries increase the exposure of the sport. For example here in greece even in the gold era of mid 80s and early 00s the exposure was the same as it is now....ok we had some 30min shows in every rally during these periods but they were poorly made.

So i doubt that some click youtube guys can bring the real interest of people if the product itself its not exposed properly.

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Originally Posted by Simmi

I hear you on the fact it needs better promotion. But what are you actually suggesting here? I also wouldn't kid yourself that the whole of America and at least half of Europe has seen this. Should ISC try and do a jump? With what money? And would that not just be false advertising?

I say the best thing they can do is work with event organisers to try and take respective events into centrally populated areas as much as possible. Whether this is service parks, ceremonial starts and even better stages or demonstration runs. Now this isn't easy to do and costs money, time and planning. But if you're town grinds to a standstill one afternoon you might just hear about it or get caught up in it. And it will make the news. That's all I can suggest because this jump has clouded people's brains from what I can tell.

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I'm sugesting that out of the events, all paralel promotion is welcome. To see Loeb doing donuts on the street os Buenos Aires could be seen as false advertising, but is advertising, is a rallycar near the people of a big city, is promotion of a championship, it atracts the attention of ordinary people who don't even love rally.

The promotion is not for the ones that follow sport, is for the ones that don't follow the sport, and on that basis all the promotion is welcome. A world record jump, is one thing between thousands that could be done out of the events. It's positive.

Everyting costs money, but without visibility, is impossible to chatch sponsors that could pay that expenses. They have to invest at the beggining , but invest in a sustainble project. The last years shown that WRC is not a sustainble project. One of the main suports of WRC was Eurosport reports, but that is ended. I don't see a bright future in terms of sustainability, unless a lot of manufacturers start to appear and contribute to the whole investment needed...

'Infancy, when compared to rallying in Europe.'

'Rallying in America will be different than the FIA dog and pony show.'

America is not Europe. Americans like a different kind of show, so I'm not sure why some people are upset. Maybe the reason rallying has failed to grasp any attention is because no one markets the sport well enough. Look at how NASCAR took advantage of the Indy/CART split and snagged all of those fans.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Why are you not----as far as we know since you perpetuate the silly internet habit of posting anonymously---participating?
(Not an attack just wondering how and why people are content to just be fans)

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I have motocross bike and a 4x4 truck that I tinker with at my relative's ranch. Tied down with school as well. I really don't need anymore debt when tuition prices just went up another 15%.

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Originally Posted by JAM

I A world record jump, is one thing between thousands that could be done out of the events. It's positive.

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Well 270 feet/82m is nice but World record?
What kind of "World" record?

What's this:
Johnny Greaves jumping 301 ft just a few days earlier:

http://race-dezert.com/home/johnny-g...feet-4375.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK3fs1gZ3IU

Maybe Travvie's World record is of the same sort of "Promotion" as his being 2007 World Champignon was........

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Well 270 feet/82m is nice but World record?
What kind of "World" record?

What's this:
Johnny Greaves jumping 301 ft just a few days earlier:

http://race-dezert.com/home/johnny-g...feet-4375.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK3fs1gZ3IU

Maybe Travvie's World record is of the same sort of "Promotion" as his being 2007 World Champignon was........

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It was a world record Rally Car jump. They went out of their way to mention it over and over during the broadcast.

Maybe if it was a world record for an Club Rally car using your shocks you would be less negative.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

It was a world record Rally Car jump. They went out of their way to mention it over and over during the broadcast.

Maybe if it was a world record for an Club Rally car using your shocks you would be less negative.

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I am not negative.

Car --truck whatever, the other guy jumped is 4 wheel vehicle tarted up to look like a pick up well more than 10% longer than Travvie in his 4 wheel vehicle, why be so picky if its a car or a supposed truck, it was longer and that's what counts.

You know nothing of rally, you're not here to discuss anything but rather to try and be a moster-troll, that is transparent, so maybe you should just go write you insane blather in Off Topic about how everybody in the world is a Communist-Nazi or a Nazi-Communist. Everybody except your indicted terrorist friends.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Well 270 feet/82m is nice but World record?
What kind of "World" record?

What's this:
Johnny Greaves jumping 301 ft just a few days earlier:

http://race-dezert.com/home/johnny-g...feet-4375.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK3fs1gZ3IU

Maybe Travvie's World record is of the same sort of "Promotion" as his being 2007 World Champignon was........

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John,

I know how badly the tendency to grab on to a prime example, however honest of a mistake (or how poorly informed some peon in charge of a website was), can be, especially when it perfectly makes a point but...

Seriously, it was on his website, probably run by some college intern who doesn't know up from down. You've have probably reposted the mis information more times than it was every actually viewed. It may be time to let that bloody, beaten, tired old horse rest.

Not trying to start an argument with you, just think about it...

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Originally Posted by L5->R5/CR

John,

I know how badly the tendency to grab on to a prime example, however honest of a mistake (or how poorly informed some peon in charge of a website was), can be, especially when it perfectly makes a point but...

Seriously, it was on his website, probably run by some college intern who doesn't know up from down. You've have probably reposted the mis information more times than it was every actually viewed. It may be time to let that bloody, beaten, tired old horse rest.

Not trying to start an argument with you, just think about it...

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It shows an attitude, a sloppiness about the context and level their accomplishments mean which we just got another example of in Kenny's press statement about about "The most significant deal in WRC History" :
"Rally just hasn't been as popular in the States because it's been deemed more a European-type sport," Block says. "We haven't had many U.S. drivers that have gotten to that level. There have been a few people that have done one-off events. No one has done multiple events. It's a huge honor to go try to do that.

"There's a lot of pride, and to do it in an American brand, I'm really stoked to have this opportunity."

He forgets john Buffum who is still a better driver, and who did respectable top 5-6 results in a number of events.

No awareness of anything that came before.....typical.