What is wrong with some people? A story from Uganda

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

You could be right, although a woman who produces her own oestrogen should not be getting supplements, only women who don't should be. You could also point the finger at many hormones used in, say, the food industry which are structurally similar to oestrogen although again there isn't a proven link. I was thinking more of unexplained surges in the mother's own oestrogen levels or testosterone levels in the case of lesbians.

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I always figured it was a genetic mutation that caused it, but I suppose this hormonal surge would do the trick.....

Since there are equal numbers of lesbians and gay males roughly, whatever causes it must be a constant in a sense. Or am I wrong on the numbers of lesbians and gays? I am getting out of my element here......just theorizing.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I always figured it was a genetic mutation that caused it, but I suppose this hormonal surge would do the trick.....

Since there are equal numbers of lesbians and gay males roughly, whatever causes it must be a constant in a sense. Or am I wrong on the numbers of lesbians and gays? I am getting out of my element here......just theorizing.

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I thought that there were more lesbians. Or maybe I just have bad taste in women!

I heard that high testosterone levels in the womb can increase the chance of the child being a lesbian. Almost all of by lesbian friends have longer ring fingers than index fingers which is a sign of higher testosterone levels.

I think the causes are thought to be different in gay men. I think you are more likely to be gay if you have 2 or more older brothers. I have 2 older brothers and i'm the arguable more 'girly' than my older two. :erm:

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I thought that there were more lesbians. Or maybe I just have bad taste in women!

I heard that high testosterone levels in the womb can increase the chance of the child being a lesbian. Almost all of by lesbian friends have longer ring fingers than index fingers which is a sign of higher testosterone levels.

I think the causes are thought to be different in gay men. I think you are more likely to be gay if you have 2 or more older brothers. I have 2 older brothers and i'm the arguable more 'girly' than my older two. :erm:

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That's just to be counteracted by my wife's 3 brothers. All three played hockey with the youngest being the most talented; not to mention he ran track, was a running back good enough to attract recruiters from universities, and he had about umpteen gazilliong women around him.

Most gay males are not the youngest or oldest as a rule...the only thing they have in common is they are gay. One only has to look at Adam Lambert, the runner up in last season's American Idol. Oldest of 3 kids, only one gay, and he is physically quite tall. It is only his voice that gives him away...that and the makeup....which is part of the rock/pop persona. I would think it would be hard to use any stereotype of gay behaviour to decide anything, and where they are born in the pecking order of siblings likely isn't much either.

As for you meeting more Lesbians....maybe it is just you are attracted to em? Just saying...lol..

I could say something really bad right now, but I don't want to be banned...lol...

Here is an interesting film on the nature versus nurture argument.

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I must say i really don´t care that much. Do what you want, as long as you do not hurt another person. It´s nothing more to it than that. Anmd if gay people wants to get married. Fine with me. Its a thing between them and the god they have chosen as theirs.
I am not sure abt the adoption yet, but I guess many straight parents can be the parents from hell asweel, and I guess most criminals were broght up by straight parents.
My five thousands dollars...

I have always been of the theory it is nature, not nurture, and Barrowman's visit with the two 12 year old twins in the video pretty much confirms it. One kid a typical boy with macho leanings, and the other kid pretty much trying to be a girl, yet identical physically to his brother. Puts a curveball into Dylan's post on this being hormonal. Both kids should be the same really you would think.

Mom not being very "girly" also puts the nurture and child's enviroment out the window, which I am not surprised by. I know of a couple who eschwed a lot of the typical ways to raise kids, using words insteand of confrontation, not being really into sports, yet their kids are all jocks and the boys are all macho while the sister is a girly girl into ballet. Kids will be what they are sometimes, despite nurture.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8429699.stm

interesting support for the rights of the Ugandan gay community from the Anglican Church

and a story from 2003 - this is not a new problem, i'm kind of ashmaed that i knew so little about it until now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/3216229.stm