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Forgetting sponsors for a minute. To say that Ford ultimately doesn't care about the American market is not true IMO. Despite it being bankrolled by Ford Europe, it is all part of one huge automotive company. So if the American arm of Ford is suffering then the European side will surely suffer too. It is naive to say Ford wouldn't want the WRC to go to America. It is all of a mutual benefit for FMC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lousada
Rallying visibility and popularity (WRC, IRC or else) should be counted by the people/followers from the stages and service parks not from the TV screen. me thinks
This has me worried for a number of reasons. A good few years ago Motors tv had many top world race series shown with full live coverage whether it was from the US or Europe. Then if the new years budget wasnt there or sponsorship issues they would chop it for the following year with pretty much no explanation, so you went from 100% coverage to practically zero.
Back in the day the WRC used to land on our screens one week after the rally in a half hour programme which seemed to be linked to the BBC but it was well produced none the less.
Then some expert correct me if I am wrong but wasnt it Eurosport who started doing nightly coverage during the Monte carlo rally back in 1998, it was only 15min at the start but this was a mega change at the time. Rally results and footage on the same day and without having to use teletext! Internet wasnt so big at the time for many people. Even now with Dave producing an ok 1 hour programme on Sunday evening, Eurosport is what I still watch on Friday/Saturday to get the most up to date footage.
I am not going to complain about the in-cars looking at back of drivers seats or rubbish commentators as I remember vividly what it was like back in the early to mid nineties. Actually when I think about it Motoring News or Autosport type magazines in the middle of the week following the rally was usually how we found out about what happ and got to see the pictures. I think Eurosport have done us excellent service regarding the WRC over the years. They showed live stages also in Corisca maybe 1999 was it? What other Sky or pan European channell has done this since please?
I hate seeing these channels like Motors tv, or in the past didnt Channel 4 promise the world with the WRC only for them to dump it again within a year or two. I would much prefer to see solid continuity rather than some head of programming tell us in December about how great its going to be, then for same person to close the door on the WRC two years later. Mark my words, I promise you this will happen. I reckon the same will happen to Dave at some point, it is not a sporty channell over all and the coverage is out of turn in that respect.
Snooker or not I for one am going to be sad to see Eurosport loose the coverage after putting in the effort to keep us informed over the years.
Some valid points but I don't really see the difference whether it stays at Eurosport or not. I mean lets get this straight Eurosport does not produce the WRC content in any way. I also dont believe the live stuff in 1999 was Eurosport content either. So this is simply finding a new home for the stock ISC coverage. What is regretable is that less people seem able to access Motors TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCS14
Let's not mince words - the WRC was BURIED on Eurosport in recent years. They supported the series in as much as they aired it. Nothing more. Now they have another commericial imperative with the IRC - further compromising their commitment to the WRC. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise that relationship cannot continue.
So I for one am happy that we can at least get a fixed timeslot and (European) events should be aired at a decent hour. Plus the extended coverage and probably additional programming and repeats.
Point is continuity. Doesnt matter the fact they dont produce the WRC coverage, they have always given it a slot for us to view. I dont care if this slot is at 11:30pm at night because I remember the way it used to be before Eurosport changed things.
What are you going to do when Motors chop it from their line up due to costs in 2012 etc and believe me this will happen and by that time it will quite possibly be gone from Dave too. Back to the internet watching the spread sheet times change and waiting for the little news updates on WRC.com At that point Eurosport may still be progressing their IRC campaign and they may choose not to bother taking up the slack, I think either way it will be our loss if Eurosport is forced to drop their coverage.
But the point is Eurosport don't care about the WRC. They have the IRC now and I'd say they value the WRC about as much as their early morning Teleshopping services. Eurosport did change things and have done a lot. But now they've changed things again - for the worse as far as the WRC is concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCS14
I agree Motors isn't a stable platform but it is at least a platform. The coverage solution is all short-term fixes but the WRC is at such a low ebb anything is a result. In 2-4 years that hopefully won't be the case and it will be a stronger product.
I do understand what you are saying. But if you're wife leaves you for another man you don't continue to live with her for the sake of continuity. The WRC finds itself in this same position. I personally believe the IRC will fail in a few years and the WRC will find its way back to Eurosport.
Here what we get from rally sweden, quite ok?
11.2.2010
21:30 - 22:00 MAX MM-kauden ennakko
22:00 - 22:15 MAX Torstain tapahtumat ja tunnelmat
12.2.2010
07:30 - 08:00 MAX MM-kauden ennakko (2.es)
08:00 - 08:15 MAX Torstain tapahtumat ja tunnelmat (2. es.)
19:30 - 20:00 MAX Tilannekatsaus
22:30 - 23:00 MAX Perjantain ajot ja tunnelmat
22:30 - 22:40 MTV3 RalliExtra
00:35 - 01:05 MTV3 Perjantain tapahtumat ja tunnelmat
13.2.2010
07:30 - 08:00 MAX Perjantain ajot ja tunnelmat (2. es)
19:20 - 19:30 MTV3 RalliExtra
19:30 - 20:00 MAX Tilannekatsaus
23:00 - 23:30 MAX Lauantain ajot ja tunnelmat
00:35 - 01:05 MTV3 Lauantain tapahtumat ja tunnelmat
14.2.2010
07:30 - 08:00 MAX Lauantain ajot ja tunnelmat (2. es)
14:00 - 15:00 MAX Ruotsin rallin päätös-ek LIVE
19:20 - 19:30 MTV3 RalliExtra
19:30 - 20:00 MAX Sunnuntain ajot ja tunnelmat
22:30 - 23:00 MAX Kisan päätöspäivä ja yhteenveto
00:25 - 00:55 MTV3 Kisan päätöspäivä ja kohokohdat
15.2.2010
17:15 - 18:15MAX Koko kisan kooste
Result! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Larry_Japan
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a little of topic maybe, but what telecompany produced Rally GB in 2003.. I remember that as a very well production with live stages at the final day. Not to forget the awsome fight between Loeb and Solberg, and the wild cheering after the finnishline :)