Renault get a 2 year suspended ban

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Originally Posted by ioan

I don't know why but I'm not surprised. ;)

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It's one of the things which annoys me most on this forum. IIRC SGWilko was very vocal in his defence of McLaren before the hearing and as soon as it came out that the allegations were true he (quite rightly) changed his tune and realised that what had happened was serious and you have to respect him for that. Others however simply don't want to go back on what they said or are too stupid to understand what went on and if it were up to me these sorts of people would be banned from this forum.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Yup. McLaren, Renault (twice) have been found guilty by the WMSC of the charges brought against them and have continued racing. BAR-Honda, on the other hand, were banned for 2 races for having an illegal fuel tank.

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and Citroen got a 1 minute penalty in Rally Australia for running unhomologated anti-rollbar links :p

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Others however simply don't want to go back on what they said or are too stupid to understand what went on and if it were up to me these sorts of people would be banned from this forum.

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I wouldn't ban them, they are funny in their attempts to twist reality to suit their POV. ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

I wouldn't ban them, they are funny in their attempts to twist reality to suit their POV. ;)

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Nah, I'd ban them. There are certain things which are up for debate and there are always different POV's and different slants on what is going on but there are some things which are simply not up for discussion or debate.

After reading all the comparison between McLaren's spy-gate and Renault's crash-gate, it was definitely alot easier for Renault to plead gulity. Renault are not winning anything right now or back then (OK, one race for that matter) and are already filled with rumors of pulling out of the sports, so being kicked out of F1 won't hurt as much. On the other hand, McLaren was fighting for the title in 2007 and unlike Renault, their main source of business is racing so they had everything to defend themselves. All factors in addition to F1 world's concern of losing another manufacturer have worked nicely for Renault today.

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Originally Posted by koko0703

After reading all the comparison between McLaren's spy-gate and Renault's crash-gate, it was definitely alot easier for Renault to plead gulity. Renault are not winning anything right now or back then (OK, one race for that matter) and are already filled with rumors of pulling out of the sports, so being kicked out of F1 won't hurt as much. On the other hand, McLaren was fighting for the title in 2007 and unlike Renault, their main source of business is racing so they had everything to defend themselves. All factors in addition to F1 world's concern of losing another manufacturer have worked nicely for Renault today.

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Life is always about circumstances and how you control them and put them to your use.
Renault are clearly a much smarter bunch than the McLaren bunch back in 2007. They weighed the situation properly and knew exactly how to act without dragging the company name through the mud for months.

IMO this case only highlights how stupidly Ron Dennis acted 2 years ago and how his big ego cost the team 100 millions and lot of lost image and probably will cost them their partnership with Mercedes after 2011.

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Originally Posted by ioan

They weighed the situation properly and knew exactly how to act...

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When there were rumours of a "fix" immediately after the race did they act then? When Piquet (allegedly) spoke to Charlie Whiting at the Brazilian GP last year did they act then? When Piquet made his formal statement to the FIA did they act then? Or did they act days before they were due to appear before the WMSC?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

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It's one of the things which annoys me most on this forum. IIRC SGWilko was very vocal in his defence of McLaren before the hearing and as soon as it came out that the allegations were true he (quite rightly) changed his tune and realised that what had happened was serious and you have to respect him for that. Others however simply don't want to go back on what they said or are too stupid to understand what went on and if it were up to me these sorts of people would be banned from this forum.

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Oh blast - now I'm infamous.... :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ioan

I wouldn't ban them, they are funny in their attempts to twist reality to suit their POV. ;)

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:laugh: Sorry I'm laughing my head off here and everyone is coming over to my desk!! If I spot you being biased ioan and twisting things, I'll let you know mate ok. ;)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Nah, I'd ban them. There are certain things which are up for debate and there are always different POV's and different slants on what is going on but there are some things which are simply not up for discussion or debate.

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No offence to you Daniel, but its not just the Mclaren fans on here that twist circumstances. It seems for certain individuals that its all about the team in question rather than having a point of view. One person I can think of had 3 very strong opinions about defending on track and said in one instance:

"If the only way he can pass is by bullying others of the track with very dangerous moves, than he better go to a destruction derby, and take DC with him too."....

Then forgot this stance, and posted this:

"Everyone is entitled to one defensive move, thats already very limiting when you think that they should be racing and not inviting each other to go by. I'd take a driver like Vettel anyday over a pussy like Kovalainen"...

Now if this is not twisting facts to suit a POV, then I don't know what is..

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

When there were rumours of a "fix" immediately after the race did they act then? When Piquet (allegedly) spoke to Charlie Whiting at the Brazilian GP last year did they act then? When Piquet made his formal statement to the FIA did they act then? Or did they act days before they were due to appear before the WMSC?

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