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3rd October 2009, 16:18
jonny hurlock

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Originally Posted by jonny hurlock

btw if Yamaha wanted james too, why not yamaha give him fifth bike in motogp whereas Ducati (five bikes) and Honda (possibly eight bikes for next season)can do it, also they done it in the past (2003)

i meant to say if yamaha wanted spies in motogp and want to keep toseland as well why not a fifth yamaha bike

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/153..._revealed.html

moto2 list, return of roberts yeah.
3rd October 2009, 17:51
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by jonny hurlock

btw if Yamaha wanted james too, why not yamaha give him fifth bike in motogp whereas Ducati (five bikes) and Honda (possibly eight bikes for next season)can do it, also they done it in the past (2003)

Well, that's because Toseland has shown absolutely nothing in his two years in MotoGP to earn him a ride next season. Colin Edwards is another worthless MotoGP rider, but at least he gets a podium once in a blue moon. But still I don't know how he has managed to keep his ride this long. IMO, Edwards, Toseland and Vermuelen, all should be sent back to SBK. Well, 2 out of three gone, I expect Edwards to make the seat vacant next year when he gets beaten by Spies.

Although I'm still skeptical about how Ben Spies will do in MotoGP, because all great SBK riders have come and failed in MotoGP. But I am sure that he can at least beat Edwards without any problems.
4th October 2009, 00:25
Rod Richardson

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Well, that's because Toseland has shown absolutely nothing in his two years in MotoGP to earn him a ride next season. Colin Edwards is another worthless MotoGP rider, but at least he gets a podium once in a blue moon. But still I don't know how he has managed to keep his ride this long. IMO, Edwards, Toseland and Vermuelen, all should be sent back to SBK. Well, 2 out of three gone, I expect Edwards to make the seat vacant next year when he gets beaten by Spies.

Although I'm still skeptical about how Ben Spies will do in MotoGP, because all great SBK riders have come and failed in MotoGP. But I am sure that he can at least beat Edwards without any problems.

MMMMMMMMM!...........Edwards worthless eh!......You just have to wonder how he got to 6th place in the points race bettered only by the likes of Rossi, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner and Dovisioso........amazing how that could happen. Slack bugger is only ahead of 11 others in a field of 17.
4th October 2009, 00:51
jonny hurlock

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Originally Posted by jonny hurlock

i meant to say if yamaha wanted spies in motogp and want to keep toseland as well why not a fifth yamaha bike

that the question i'm asking

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Well, that's because Toseland has shown absolutely nothing in his two years in MotoGP to earn him a ride next season. Colin Edwards is another worthless MotoGP rider, but at least he gets a podium once in a blue moon. But still I don't know how he has managed to keep his ride this long. IMO, Edwards, Toseland and Vermuelen, all should be sent back to SBK. Well, 2 out of three gone, I expect Edwards to make the seat vacant next year when he gets beaten by Spies.

Although I'm still skeptical about how Ben Spies will do in MotoGP, because all great SBK riders have come and failed in MotoGP. But I am sure that he can at least beat Edwards without any problems.

your opinion was quite harsh on superbikes riders coming into motogp, so if u don't really like superbike drivers ben spies will flop as-well with your opinion? because i felt vermuelen done a good job with suzuki but faded away for last season, with toseland his done a 10x better job then hodson and byrne put together.
4th October 2009, 07:15
NinjaMaster

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Well, that's because Toseland has shown absolutely nothing in his two years in MotoGP to earn him a ride next season. Colin Edwards is another worthless MotoGP rider, but at least he gets a podium once in a blue moon. But still I don't know how he has managed to keep his ride this long. IMO, Edwards, Toseland and Vermuelen, all should be sent back to SBK. Well, 2 out of three gone, I expect Edwards to make the seat vacant next year when he gets beaten by Spies.

Although I'm still skeptical about how Ben Spies will do in MotoGP, because all great SBK riders have come and failed in MotoGP. But I am sure that he can at least beat Edwards without any problems.

Whilst I agree that Toseland has deserved demotion, he's gone backwards this year. Vermeulen too, though the Suzuki was a very ordinary bike but he's been comfortably beaten by his teammate. But I don't understand the slagging of Edwards. Seems another ageist opinion to me. No, he's not going to be MotoGP world champ but who is, outside of the top 4, the aliens, Rossi, Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Stoner? He could well be the next best rider behind those guys come the years end. I don't see how a performance like that is worthless. And time will tell if Spies is much better. I think any of Colin, Chris or James would take it right up to Ben in WSB.
4th October 2009, 08:30
harsha

I like Vermuelen...think he has decent pace...no he is not gonna be a world champion unless you are counting on a Hayden'ish win
4th October 2009, 12:17
The Phantom

Edwards is probably one of the best in the field when it comes to team/sponsor commitments, and this like it or not is how you need to play the game in the modern age. He's also an excellent development rider and turns in a pretty good result in most races. Maybe he's stopping a young gun from moving up but I reckon he's earned his ride over the years and it's fun having him in the class.

Vermeulen has over the years become well known for lapping at the pace of the leaders towards the end of races, it's just a shame he never got a good factory bike... I think he'd be at Edwards level on a Tech3 and a podium contender on a Fiat Yamaha or Repsol Honda. Ahh well, I'm looking forward to seeing him back in WSB.
4th October 2009, 17:29
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Rod Richardson

MMMMMMMMM!...........Edwards worthless eh!......You just have to wonder how he got to 6th place in the points race bettered only by the likes of Rossi, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner and Dovisioso........amazing how that could happen. Slack bugger is only ahead of 11 others in a field of 17.

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Originally Posted by jonny hurlock

that the question i'm asking

your opinion was quite harsh on superbikes riders coming into motogp, so if u don't really like superbike drivers ben spies will flop as-well with your opinion? because i felt vermuelen done a good job with suzuki but faded away for last season, with toseland his done a 10x better job then hodson and byrne put together.

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Originally Posted by NinjaMaster

Whilst I agree that Toseland has deserved demotion, he's gone backwards this year. Vermeulen too, though the Suzuki was a very ordinary bike but he's been comfortably beaten by his teammate. But I don't understand the slagging of Edwards. Seems another ageist opinion to me. No, he's not going to be MotoGP world champ but who is, outside of the top 4, the aliens, Rossi, Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Stoner? He could well be the next best rider behind those guys come the years end. I don't see how a performance like that is worthless. And time will tell if Spies is much better. I think any of Colin, Chris or James would take it right up to Ben in WSB.

Well, let me explain. I wanted to say that Edwards is not quite a frontrunner in MotoGP, maybe "worthless" came out as a bit harsh. :D I say Edwards is not the real deal for these reasons:

1. He was in two top tier teams, Movistar Honda, and then the factory Yamaha team partnering Rossi, and all he could achieve were two very rare podiums if I remember correctly. A rider of his pedigree in Superbikes, he should have at least won a race.

2. Him and Toseland are on 2009 M1s. Agreed, they don't have factory support like Rossi and Lorenzo, but they ought to be doing much better than what they are now. And while I'm saying that, I agree that he can't really do much better than finishing 5th right now. But I would also say that Tech 3 would be better off with a much talented rider.

That's all.
5th October 2009, 08:45
Jarman

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Originally Posted by alleskids

So for the moment the 2010 grid is:
FIAT Yamaha: Valentino Rossi / Jorge Lorenzo
Tech 3 Yamaha: Colin Edwards / Ben Spiess
Repsol Honda: Dani Pedrosa / Andrea Dovizioso
Gresini Honda: Marco Melandri / Marco Simmoncelli
LCR Honda: Randi Du Puniet / ?
Scot Honda: ? / ?
Marlboro Ducati: Casey Stoner / Nick Hayden
Pramac Ducati: Mika Kalio / Niccolo Canepa ?
Aspar Ducati: Hector Barbera
Suzuki: Alvaro Bautista / Loris Caparossi
and a BMW team ?

Paolo Campinoti said in the spanish tv during the race, that Aleix Espargaró will ride with Pramac Ducati in 2010 (http://www.rtve.es/deportes/20091004.../295043.shtml), and Aoyama will ride with a new Honda team (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/A...ss+next+season)
5th October 2009, 09:00
NinjaMaster

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Well, let me explain. I wanted to say that Edwards is not quite a frontrunner in MotoGP, maybe "worthless" came out as a bit harsh. :D I say Edwards is not the real deal for these reasons:

1. He was in two top tier teams, Movistar Honda, and then the factory Yamaha team partnering Rossi, and all he could achieve were two very rare podiums if I remember correctly. A rider of his pedigree in Superbikes, he should have at least won a race.

2. Him and Toseland are on 2009 M1s. Agreed, they don't have factory support like Rossi and Lorenzo, but they ought to be doing much better than what they are now. And while I'm saying that, I agree that he can't really do much better than finishing 5th right now. But I would also say that Tech 3 would be better off with a much talented rider.

That's all.

That's fair enough reasoning. I guess my argument would be that there isn't really much more talented riders around. Colin is a gun rider.
On the top tier teams, I remember reading that his Movistar ride was thoroughly overrated, that he was last in line for new parts and the good Michelin tires, hence he left for Yamaha. Edwards described his time with the Yamaha factory team as a double edged sword. On one hand, the equipment was excellent but on the other hand, if things weren't going so well on the other side of the garage then all the focus went there and he was essentially forgotten about, hence the higher highs and lower lows of his results there. That he has been far more consistent as the lead rider with constant attention at Tech3 tends to support that claim.

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