Rumors of Open Wheel's impending demise

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Originally Posted by Hoop-98

Whatever they are, must be a "Smack" in the face ;n)

rh

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are you suggesting there not

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Originally Posted by Hoop-98

Whatever they are, must be a "Smack" in the face ;n)

rh

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Originally Posted by Ken

are you suggesting there not

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Jeeze Ken, why so freakin' confrontational? Hoop didn't say a thing to that effect.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Jeeze Ken, why so freakin' confrontational? Hoop didn't say a thing to that effect.

Gary

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Multi forum culture going Gary

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Originally Posted by Ken

Multi forum culture going Gary

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Huh? Ya' lost me on that one bud.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Huh? Ya' lost me on that one bud.

Gary

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Sent you a pm Gary. That should clear it up.

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Originally Posted by Hoop-98

ChampCar during the low years:

90M in Team Budgets
25M in JJ Sponsor Value

IndyCar 2009

145M in Team Budgets
125M in JJ Sponsor Value.

Neither is a real healthy situation but they are not really comparable.

Now these are my best guess gross approximations I don't want to micro-argue every point but after the 2009 Indy 500 the Sponsor Value for IndyCar will be several times higher than any year of ChampCar.



rh

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Originally Posted by Hoop-98

I deliberately low balled the JJ value for INDYCAR, they may hit 125 at INDY alone.

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These numbers are interesting. What seems to be missing is an analysis of the JJ number for the IRL or I500 separately. Using your numbers then it would be something like this:

Champ Car
90M in Team Budgets
25M in JJ Sponsor Value

IndyCar 2009
145M in Team Budgets
100M in JJ Sponsor Value I500
25M in JJ sponosr value rest of the IRL

I dont wish to a big argument about the unification again, but I'm at a loss at how the IRL is considered in a better financial position then Champ Car ever was. If the story from today shows anything, it is that simply rolling in profits of the I500 as if it was a direct part of the IRL is a mistake and the not the proper long term way to look at it.

unfortunately the ship has sailed on what would have been the only easy fix to balance these numbers in the black

Champ Car
90M in Team Budgets
25M in JJ Sponsor Value
100M JJ value for the I500

The notion that the IRL and the I500 were intrinsically linked precluded that possibility. Today, that idea seems in great question

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Originally Posted by CCWS77

These numbers are interesting. What seems to be missing is an analysis of the JJ number for the IRL or I500 separately. Using your numbers then it would be something like this:

Champ Car
90M in Team Budgets
25M in JJ Sponsor Value

IndyCar 2009
145M in Team Budgets
100M in JJ Sponsor Value I500
25M in JJ sponosr value rest of the IRL

I dont wish to a big argument about the unification again, but I'm at a loss at how the IRL is considered in a better financial position then Champ Car ever was. If the story from today shows anything, it is that simply rolling in profits of the I500 as if it was a direct part of the IRL is a mistake and the not the proper long term way to look at it.

unfortunately the ship has sailed on what would have been the only easy fix to balance these numbers in the black

Champ Car
90M in Team Budgets
25M in JJ Sponsor Value
100M JJ value for the I500

The notion that the IRL and the I500 were intrinsically linked precluded that possibility. Today, that idea seems in great question

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No doubt, no 500 no IRL...

In the late 90s the JJ's for CART were in the 200s the two series crossed around 2002. That's when Target saw the SV of the 500 was = to the CART season.


Without the 500 IRL = CCWS, a no go for sure.

rh