Mosley 'knows' who set him up

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

Even Governments were commenting about Max's behavior.

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Were is the right term. No one is doing it anymore and Max is a public person again.

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

The "man in the street" wasn't following nor interested in ~ two month old F-1 politics. He remembers the sexual exposure... not Max's whining explainations about being "set-up in a sting opperation" that followed.

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The man in the street doesn't remember squat.
I bet that if you ask people on the streets about max Mosley 999 out of 1000 won't even know who he is.

So 0.1% is the maximum of the people who might be aware who he is, and out of these 50% doesn't care about how he get's it up.
That brings us to about 0.05% of people in the street sharing your view.

I'll remind people around here that more often than not a country is governed by people who are oposed by as much as 49,9% of that countries voting population.

See the difference?! ;)

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Just a simple yes or no please mate. Do you you think that its right that being caught doing something perfectly legal, but not conformed to societies view of 'normal' should warrant his loss of professional reputation and job?

If 'moral clauses' are in his contract then fair enough, but as far as I'm aware they're not.

Why does him going on about being caught mean it brought FIA into disrupute? Could it be because he saw an invasion of his privacy, and wants justice?

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Look at it this way: if the Chief Executive of HSBC was caught in a similar manner, he would have been on the next flight out of Hong Kong, tourist class.

................and if the Chief Steward of the Royal Hong Kong Jockey Club (now no longer Royal) was caught in a similar manner, he'd be out quicker than you could yell "Racing"

:D The arguement isn't about what Molsey did... World opinion has already judged his actions to be inmoral. Nor are we debating Public opinion, again Molsey has been judged in the court of public opinion and found wanting.

:dozey: So we are left with the debate...

"Molsey knows who set him up" !!!

As Baggie said... Max was caught in a "STING".

The "STING"... though reprehesible does not change the facts...

nor can it erase the Video.

Molsey was caught in inmoral and egregious sexual acts while president of the FIA.

His actions by association tarnish the FIA...

Any other reputable organization would have sent him packing.

That, and that alone, has ruined Molsey's reputation.

:s mokin:

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

As Baggie said... Max was caught in a "STING".

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Max is the only one saying he was set up by someone from F1 but, as he says, "I am not going to do anything or say anything until I am absolutely certain."

So, he's not certain and cannot say who it was, but despite that he's willing to say rather a lot around the subject. That's rather like a tabloid drip feeding readers with what is supposedly a "big" story. It grabs the headlines and gets the readers in initially. "All sorts of other things are going to come out" is quite a hook. It's right up the NoTW's street!

But if Max knows then why a delay of "two or three years" before he tells? The criminal proceedings he refers to are cases he initiated against media outlets who repeated the NoTW story. Nothing to do with F1.

So why the delay? Perhaps because it's important for him to remain FIA President so that if he can convince people of this "plot" against him it'll be easier to pursuade them that he should stay on as President beyond June. If that is achieved, whether the "plot" is fact or not won't really matter. If it's not it'll quietly be forgotten (as with the Brundle case), and if it is then Max can deal out whatever sporting punishment he deems appropriate.

Sorry, but IMHO all of the above is Max putting Max's interests first, and using his position as FIA President to do so.

Far simpler is the explaination that the NoTW just did what they do week in week out - got headlines at the expense of a public figure. Jade Goody, Frank Lampard, Max Mosley, Peaches Geldof...they're all the same as far as the NoTW is concerned.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Max is the only one saying he was set up by someone from F1 but, as he says, "I am not going to do anything or say anything until I am absolutely certain."

So, he's not certain and cannot say who it was, but despite that he's willing to say rather a lot around the subject. That's rather like a tabloid drip feeding readers with what is supposedly a "big" story. It grabs the headlines and gets the readers in initially. "All sorts of other things are going to come out" is quite a hook. It's right up the NoTW's street!

But if Max knows then why a delay of "two or three years" before he tells? The criminal proceedings he refers to are cases he initiated against media outlets who repeated the NoTW story. Nothing to do with F1.

So why the delay? Perhaps because it's important for him to remain FIA President so that if he can convince people of this "plot" against him it'll be easier to pursuade them that he should stay on as President beyond June. If that is achieved, whether the "plot" is fact or not won't really matter. If it's not it'll quietly be forgotten (as with the Brundle case), and if it is then Max can deal out whatever sporting punishment he deems appropriate.

Sorry, but IMHO all of the above is Max putting Max's interests first, and using his position as FIA President to do so.

Far simpler is the explaination that the NoTW just did what they do week in week out - got headlines at the expense of a public figure. Jade Goody, Frank Lampard, Max Mosley, Peaches Geldof...they're all the same as far as the NoTW is concerned.

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He needs to get all the details before specific accusations start. Depending on who the person is or from what company, if Mosley names them without 100% proof, he (or maybe the FIA) can get the t**s sued off them for defamation.

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

It's the old... "Two Wrongs still don't make a Right" !!!

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All due respect here, but the whole point of this is that who are you to say what he did was wrong?

By your moral standards, he did wrong, but legally he didn't. And thats what counts. So its not a case of two wrongs, as he didn't actually do anything wrong.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

How about the fact that someone stooped so low as to try to sting him out of office ?
How do you feel about those folks ?

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Very good point.

Max has made a lot of enemys and IMHO, damaged F1 and other forms of Motorsport to the extent that accusations exist. Couple this with the fact that his commercial decisions regarding F1 and revenue returned to the FIA has at the very best been totallt incompetent and wholly wrong.

However, if someone had publically attacked Max for his management of the FIA, I would have been entirely behind them.

If, and I reiterate IF someone in Motorsport is guilty of this sting, then I suggest Max persues him personally through the courts and not through a personal vendetta using the might of the FIA to bestow revenge.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Were is the right term. No one is doing it anymore and Max is a public person again.



The man in the street doesn't remember squat.
I bet that if you ask people on the streets about max Mosley 999 out of 1000 won't even know who he is.

So 0.1% is the maximum of the people who might be aware who he is, and out of these 50% doesn't care about how he get's it up.
That brings us to about 0.05% of people in the street sharing your view.

I'll remind people around here that more often than not a country is governed by people who are oposed by as much as 49,9% of that countries voting population.

See the difference?! ;)

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This has no basis in fact and is completely made up.

From my experience, I would take your bet that a lot more people are aware of the FIA and Max's exploits that you claim.

You are correct that it is yesterday's news and people in Government etc are not talking about it but that's because it's not relevant at the moment. I suggest though that it's at the back of their minds ;)

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

;) Baggie,

I do agree with you, Max likely took extra precautions, to avoid any public disclosure.

Taking your point that Max was hiding his sexually depraved activities...

seems to admit Max (while president of the FIA) was doing something inmoral,

which, if found out would be detrimental to the FIA's reputation.



:dozey: So that brings us back to:

Today,

The problem is

John Q Public's perception of Max...

After his egregious sexual activities became common knowledge.



:rolleyes: Max still is trying to deflect the public's attention away from his personal sexual activities...

by attempting to focus the press's attention on...


"Mosey knows who set him up" !!!

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Mate, the more I read your posts, the more the picture of you being someone who judges someone on their activities and doesn't accept differences is reinforced.

So what if he has different sexual preferences which don't fit into your 'moral views'? You've obviously judged him on that, and happily willing to discriminate against him because of this.

Your a perfect examples of why we have laws in place, to make sure people aren't discriminated against for their religion or lifestyle choices.

I'm aware of the more 'right wing traditional' views in America, and I do find it slightly worrying to see all those who go on about his activities being perverted and deprived etc, tend to be from Americans in this form. Whilst I appreciate you do not represent the majority of Americans, I do find it worrying that there is a pretty fair sized minority in the worlds most powerful nation who have such narrowminded views on peoples different lifestyles.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Look at it this way: if the Chief Executive of HSBC was caught in a similar manner, he would have been on the next flight out of Hong Kong, tourist class.

................and if the Chief Steward of the Royal Hong Kong Jockey Club (now no longer Royal) was caught in a similar manner, he'd be out quicker than you could yell "Racing"

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Yes. Because its a private company, in business to make money, and perception and marketability is key to success. And unfortunately the tabloid media, who broke someones right to a private sex life would have won as he would have probably stepped down.

The FIA is not a private company, its an institution.