Glock/Toyota paid off to slow on the last lap?[merged]

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Hold on just a second now .

That table shows Trulli was 2.2seconds faster through the final sector , even though , when he got there it would have been wetter .
Could there be something to this ?

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I'm sure Glock lost some time getting passed, but I didn't see the race. Looks Like he was passed by 2 cars for position on the last lap (Vet + Ham - who were within a second of each other - so both passed in Sector 3?) and maybe some lapped cars also passed him "I really don't know where Lewis overtook me because four cars past me left and right, left and right. I was just concentrating to keep the car on the track. That was the only way. "

That will tend to slow you down a bit more especially if you are fighting to stay on the black stuff.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71968

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Originally Posted by Somebody

Actually, it DID pay off for Glock, and nearly paid off for Trulli - .

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Sorry, I should have said it didn't pay off as much as it could have.

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Originally Posted by tintop

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I'm sure Glock lost some time getting passed, but I didn't see the race. Looks Like he was passed by 2 cars for position on the last lap (Vet + Ham - who were within a second of each other - so both passed in Sector 3?) and maybe some lapped cars also passed him "I really don't know where Lewis overtook me because four cars past me left and right, left and right. I was just concentrating to keep the car on the track. That was the only way. "

That will tend to slow you down a bit more especially if you are fighting to stay on the black stuff.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71968

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That's a reasoned response .
Thanks for that .

I recall all those around him giving him a pretty wide berth , 2 on one side , 2 on the other .
Hardly surprising they were going by , against dries , but I don't recall them hindering his line .

One little slip can lose you that time in the wet , I guess , but Jarno must have had an amazing last one if he did it in the wetter conditions .


The slow times do fit with the "he slowed down" scenario .
I point to it and get harassed .

Touchy winners .

I have no idea how many of you have raced in the rain but it is bl---y hard to keep it on the black stuff even with wet tires. Actually if it is pouring it is easier as the inevitable oil has disappeared. Very damp to slightly wet is almost impossible on dries that have lost temp.
It is like driving with almost bald tires on ice that has a thin layer of water on it. Grip zilch!
And yes I have raced in the rain (and sometimes in the dark to boot).

Hell , Drifter , that's when the party starts out there .

Trick is , though , getting that damned mini-van back end to swing out wide for me with that stupid stomp it again pedal for the e-brake !

Sometimes it's ditches filled black ice all the way to the groceries and back , with 2 mini-vans worth of vision the whole way .

I'd give both Jarno or Timo a go any day , for the cost of the groceries .

Most fun topic of the whole forum - keep on going guys :D

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

I have no idea how many of you have raced in the rain but it is bl---y hard to keep it on the black stuff even with wet tires. Actually if it is pouring it is easier as the inevitable oil has disappeared. Very damp to slightly wet is almost impossible on dries that have lost temp.
It is like driving with almost bald tires on ice that has a thin layer of water on it. Grip zilch!
And yes I have raced in the rain (and sometimes in the dark to boot).

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I've done a lot of rain racing and when cars in faster classes are passing you (especially on either side of you) I think you can tend to lift a bit, especially if you have little grip and or they throw up crap on your wind screen. Glock also had some points in the bag and couldn't possibly challenge non-dry tire guys so it would make sense that he give up a little time when they passed him. Again, I didn't see it, but his statements seem to indicate that he was pushing as hard as he could - and he felt sorry for Massa.

Hi Bagwan. I do not not known where in Canada you live but I am right on Georgian Bay in Ontario's snowbelt. For the last couple of years I have been driving our Co. GMC 3/4 ton van on no weather tires. Is that ever fun in the white stuff. I felt like a dirt track sprint car driver. Now have a Cobalt. My grocery store is 20 k. one way. (sold the Co.)
I have also winter rallied in Int'l open road events plus stages but at least the cars were properly equipped.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Had you read the entire thread , you might have noticed that I made fun of it earlier .

If you re-read your post , you might see why I see it as ironic that you dredge the past in your last sentence , and tell me to "get over it" in your second .

Please pay attention .

I noted that there time difference in the final sector was larger than might be normal , when at the same time , the conditions should have worsened .

Glock should not normally be 2.2 seconds slower in better conditions .
That's in a sector time frame of 22.8 -25 seconds .

I don't believe he was paid by anyone to be so slow , but it does seem a bit stark .

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Maybe Trulli is more talented/got better handling out of his set-up? in wet conditions things can change a lot, even if the conditions were worse the 2,2 secs could be explained that Glock nearly lost the car somewhere in sector 3 while Trulli didn't.
or Glock slowed down quite a lot once he lost his 4th place and noted the 7th place driver was way behind and Trulli kept on "running" since webber was probably close to him.

nothing stark or strange to me.

A big shame for me, my least favourite driver was going to lose the championship thanks to my two favourite drivers!.

It was announced today that Timo Glock and Hekki Kovalien will trade seats next season. Also Di Montezemolo horse whipped Mosely into abandoning any idea of spec engines. RB scored the girl from Ipanema and promptly traded his travel luggage to Bruno Senna. And yes McCain won the election here in the states albeit David Duke voted 17 million times.

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