Malcolm and losing with no dignity

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Team orders are part of Motorsport - we all know that. And yes, it's hard to prove when they've happened - and therefore hard to enforce any rulings. However, this was totally blatant - Malcolm told everybody in an interview. How on earth is that allowed?

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Well, he obviously cannot be penalised if no relevant rule exists, which it seems there isn't.

Personally I'd rather not open a can of worms by probing what team bosses say in interviews. What next, resorting to cheeky winks, lazy half-nods and grins instead to interviewers whenever they ask on the last day, "So will you be slowing down [insert name of driver playing Duval role here]?" It's still not easy to enforce anything.

Personally I'd rather they either have a cast-iron enforcable rule against all team orders full stop, however sneakily done (evidently not possible either), or not bother and just let the vagaries of motorsport be for once. Personally, I've had enough of F1's penchant for the inconsistent application of hazy rules...

Chicken McNugget raises a good point in that this whole thing reminded me of the DTM last year (back when I was still watching it). The problem stems from there being just two super powers in both sports.

The problem comes from Ford having a disproportionate amount of the cars in the field, and now that these cars are a competitive package, using them like pawns to move around and protect their chosen king (Mikko).

It was the usage of Latvala in a Stobart car that is angering people. Basic two-car team orders shouldn't come as any surprise to anyone. Although I can't condone what Ford did, it should not come as a surprise either.

Without M-Sport there would be a WRC entry of 7 at the next round in Japan. They are both good and bad for the sport, but I feel that Malcolm has become a victim of his own success. All the Focus WRC's are being built, serviced and shipped by M-Sport. They are all Malcolm's cars like it or not.

More to blame should be the rule-makers for allowing a monoploy over the top 8 to form too much. There is a lot of hate directed towards Ford, but I bet if the situation arose, and Loeb was SupeRallying back into the points and was 7th with Aava in sixth, you'd be naive to think they wouldn't switch places. I know they aren't the same team but PHsport exist due to the help of Citreon Sport.

My main point is this: Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Without M-Sport there would be a WRC entry of 7 at the next round in Japan. They are both good and bad for the sport, but I feel that Malcolm has become a victim of his own success. All the Focus WRC's are being built, serviced and shipped by M-Sport. They are all Malcolm's cars like it or not.

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you do realise that the drivers at stobart pay for the cars? if it wasn't M-sport we would have more citroens and more subarus.....and to be honest it would be a lot better than having M-sport around with the clown tactics.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

That's not what cali said. He said that Sordo has not slowed down this year to let Seb through. Which if i remember right is correct.

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Citroën give Sorde just a slower car then Loeb and he is not allowed to go faster, maybe not this year but last year! Kronos had the sh!t Citroëns.
That is also about using cars from other teams. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Brother John

Citroën give Sorde just a slower car then Loeb and he is not allowed to go faster, maybe not this year but last year! Kronos had the sh!t Citroëns.
That is also about using cars from other teams. :rolleyes:

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Any proofs to back your "story"? Source?

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Originally Posted by Brother John

Citroën give Sorde just a slower car then Loeb and he is not allowed to go faster, maybe not this year but last year! Kronos had the sh!t Citroëns.
That is also about using cars from other teams. :rolleyes:

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HAHAHAHA! LOL! Please stop! :) :) :)

I think that all drivers has 'slow cars' with 100 bhp. Only Loeb has 3500 bhp car. That`s why he is a 4 time WR champion.

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Originally Posted by cali

Any proofs to back your "story"? Source?

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Just ask Duval when he was with Citroën and Stohl + Carlsson drivin at Kronos! :p :

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Originally Posted by Brother John

Just ask Duval when he was with Citroën and Stohl + Carlsson drivin at Kronos! :p :

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Manu team and client (Kronos) are 2 different things, Like M-Sport & Stobart. So nothing but "ask Duval" so far.... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by cali

Manu team and client (Kronos) are 2 different things, Like M-Sport & Stobart. So nothing but "ask Duval" so far.... :rolleyes:

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As everyone here can say nonsense, I does that also. :s mokin:

A new advertisement video from Citroën
And Citroën C2 open doors for the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi9Mo0dGcjA
Old Team orders from the past. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayYz-i_Bsv0

Malcolm Wilson Speaks!

Malcolm Wilson Q&A from WRC.com

Are you satisfied with your team’s performance in Corsica?
“From a results point of view it’s probably as good as we could hope for but yes, it’s been a very good rally for Ford. Again we had to employ some tactics at the end, and we have to say we’re relived they all worked out because it was pretty stressful. Fortunately everything went absolutely to plan. The guys did a great job, they were very professional about the whole thing and okay, there’s still a chance that both Championships are still alive, which is great news ahead of Japan.”
Why did you choose to use penalty time to swap places rather than slowing the cars on the final stage like you have done before?
“We wanted to do it in such a way that everybody knew what was happening before they got back to the final control. And at least the guys were driving flat out through the stages.”
Were you reluctant to involve Jari-Matti Latvala in the BP Ford team strategy?
“Yes, but I spoke to [Stobart Group CEO] Andrew Tinkler and he was very pleased to be able help support the Ford team, which made my life a little bit easier. All the guys did a great job and they acted very professionally.”
Mikko said he was against the use of team orders here - how did he react when you moved him up?
“It’s not an easy situation for anybody, whether you’re a driver or a team manager - and I’ve experienced it from both sides. But there was so much at stake today; both the drivers’ championship and the manufacturers’ championship. I think he would regret it if he were to win Japan and GB and lose out on the championship by one point.”
Were you pleased with Mikko’s performance on the rally?
“Absolutely - I was very happy with both drivers. In one sense with Sebastien we’re competing against probably one of the best drivers the World Rally Championship has ever seen and the great thing is we were on the pace on Friday to the point where Dani made a mistake. I think that proves we were putting him under a bit of pressure. The problem is I know how long it takes to develop a driver and I think it’s going to be very, very difficult for anybody to beat Sebastien anytime in the next five years - by which time he’ll still only be 40.”
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk...20Wilson%20Q&A