Screw Ferrari

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Originally Posted by kalasend

But I also think that Massa lacks big time in terms of "come-back" ability. Oh well, I'm guessing Massa's hope relies on prayer now.

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Actually, Felipe's best performances seem to be when the knives are out.

Turkey 2006, following a 13th place finish in Hungary.
Bahrain 2007 & Spain 2007, following a less than impressive Malaysian GP.
Bahrain 2008, following abysmal Australian & Malaysian GP's.
Hungary 2008, following crap to average performances at Silverstone & Hockenheim.
Valencia 2008, following the gut-wrench of the last 2 laps at the Hungaroring.

There seems to be a fair bit of bounce-back-ability in those.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Actually, Felipe's best performances seem to be when the knives are out.

Turkey 2006, following a 13th place finish in Hungary.
Bahrain 2007 & Spain 2007, following a less than impressive Malaysian GP.
Bahrain 2008, following abysmal Australian & Malaysian GP's.
Hungary 2008, following crap to average performances at Silverstone & Hockenheim.
Valencia 2008, following the gut-wrench of the last 2 laps at the Hungaroring.

There seems to be a fair bit of bounce-back-ability in those.

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Forgot to mention Brazil 2006, following on from his disappearance at China.

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Originally Posted by kalasend

Though I agree to a certain extent, you are being too harsh on Massa. First, he got screwed by his own team, then by the drive-through. Add on that a tight circuit that doesn't encourage overtake. Even MS couldn't do much given the same circumstances.

But I also think that Massa lacks big time in terms of "come-back" ability. Oh well, I'm guessing Massa's hope relies on prayer now.

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Well, I don't know. He was 45 seconds off the lead after his Pit Stop drive through on lap 26 and struggling to overtake SB. he was 22 seconds off the points with a fast car and his team mate 3 places ahead.

He had got that to 35 seconds in 5 laps (Trulli was leading) but then made another mistake and dropped back to 45 seconds.

During the 2nd SC he was right behind HK in 13th but never progressed even though his partner made up places (until he lobbed it off)

He had the fastest car out there and had a chance to get back into the running. However, lack of overtaking slower cars and mistakes left him out of the points.

I can accept that it's the Tyres or the brakes but those are sorted now. i know he's not the best in the wet but it was dry and you cant say the car wasn't performing well because it was the class of the field and 0.5 seconds quicker than the 2nd fastest car in qualifying.

Really, it comes to a time when you have to say that he didn't perform when he had to battle his way through. He had the opportunity to take that race by the scruff of the neck and get a point or two as Lewis did the race before but gave up.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

My mistake. Having done a quick search you said you didn't 'love' them but you did support them.

Which, having some Italian blood in my veins, I have to confess sounds weird....but I'll put that down to the legendary English reserve!

You probably do 'love' them, just can't say it for fear of public embarassment.

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:laugh:

I dream of Silver Arrows and wake up in a hot sweat with Rons image in my mind.

:)

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Well, I don't know. He was 45 seconds off the lead after his Pit Stop drive through on lap 26 and struggling to overtake SB. he was 22 seconds off the points with a fast car and his team mate 3 places ahead.

He had got that to 35 seconds in 5 laps (Trulli was leading) but then made another mistake and dropped back to 45 seconds.

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FGS he had a puncture. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

During the 2nd SC he was right behind HK in 13th but never progressed even though his partner made up places (until he lobbed it off)

He had the fastest car out there and had a chance to get back into the running. However, lack of overtaking slower cars and mistakes left him out of the points.

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His team mate was making up places because the drivers in front of him were pitting!

If I'm not mistaken Kimi overtook only one car, Hamy too. And even Felipe overtook Bourdais before he got the puncture!

Talk about pointing the finger in the wrong direction after not watching the race! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

:laugh:

I dream of Silver Arrows and wake up in a hot sweat with Rons image in my mind.

:)

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Never had a doubt about this! :rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

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I dream of Silver Arrows and wake up in a hot sweat with Rons image in my mind.

:)

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Madonna Mia!

I read that, and for a moment I thought you'd said you wake up with Arrows & have an image of a sweaty Ron Dennis in your mind.

Thankfully, you didn't.

At least, you didn't say that outside of your sub-concious!

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Madonna Mia!

I read that, and for a moment I thought you'd said you wake up with Arrows & have an image of a sweaty Ron Dennis in your mind.

Thankfully, you didn't.

At least, you didn't say that outside of your sub-concious!

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Geez you guys, if I have nightmares now, I know who to blame!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

We aren't talking about 1 or 2 blunders per season, not even about 10 mistakes in 5 seasons, we are talking about at least 10 in one season.

If it was about singular events than so be it, but we already got a pattern developing by halfway through the current season.

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Let us count the mistakes by Ferrari team then.

engine failures at Australia, gearbox problem for kimi in qualy.
Problem fuelling Massa at Canada, but wasn`t that due to a problem not caused by Ferrari?
Problem for kimi at France, cost him two points and the win.
tactical mistake at Silverstone to leave drivers out on old inters.
engine failure for Massa at Hungary, caused by a problem not in the hands of Ferrari, but due to a faulty patch.
Engine failure for Kimi at Valencia, same reasons as above.
Singapore - problem when fuelling Massa.

Now, no team has ever had a perfect season. Ever. Even in 2002 Ferrari of Barrichello failed quite many times.

I also notice you have ignored one posters request to name all those 10 blunders you so loudly talked about.

Considering what can be called as mistakes.

In OZ IMO it was a mistake that Räikkönen wasn't called in for his first pitstop during a safety car phase. He rose to P3, but needed to make a stop very soon anyway and was forced to drop to the back.

At Monaco Kimi got a penalty for a delay of tyres (?). Plus Massa's strategy on a drying circuit wasn't quite the best.

At Valencia Kimi had also a botched pitstop.