Is Sebastien Bourdais that bad?

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Originally Posted by pits4me

Unless he was railroaded to a poor showing for obvious reasons.

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If that really were the case, then he was never going to be good enough.

If he couldn't handle that kind of pressure, then he would have stood no chance at the top-end of F1.

If what you claim was the truth, then the Renault management made an excellent decision to drop Bourdais off their radar and never pay any attention to him again.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

If that really were the case, then he was never going to be good enough.

If he couldn't handle that kind of pressure, then he would have stood no chance at the top-end of F1.

If what you claim was the truth, then the Renault management made an excellent decision to drop Bourdais off their radar and never pay any attention to him again.

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I don't think pits was suggesting pressure so much as sabotage. Railroading can be done in many ways, not just mental games.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

I don't think pits was suggesting pressure so much as sabotage. Railroading can be done in many ways, not just mental games.

Gary

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I'm sorry Gary, but even if he was claiming 'sabotage' all it shows is that he's read too many conspiracy theories.

The idea that Bourdais had his Renault test 'knobbled' (if that's not an American phrase, I apologise...it means sabotaged) is far fetched in the extreme.

The simpler answer is often the real answer.

He wasn't good enough.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I'm sorry Gary, but even if he was claiming 'sabotage' all it shows is that he's read too many conspiracy theories.

The idea that Bourdais had his Renault test 'knobbled' (if that's not an American phrase, I apologise...it means sabotaged) is far fetched in the extreme.

The simpler answer is often the real answer.

He wasn't good enough.

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But didn't he refuse to sign the Flavio extortion contract prior to the test? If so, I would not be at all surprised that the car was not up to snuff. I put NOTHING past Flavio.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

But didn't he refuse to sign the Flavio extortion contract prior to the test? If so, I would not be at all surprised that the car was not up to snuff. I put NOTHING past Flavio.

Gary

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Even if the car wasn't Alonso-spec, had Bourdais done anything stella in it, the engineers would have been very keen to get his services.

Whilst Flavio is sly, he isn't a fool, and had Pat Symonds said that the boy Bourdais was special, Flavio would have listened.

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Originally Posted by Starter

My understanding is that Seb never got in the car, he was required to sign that contract as a condition of the test at the last moment. So how would anyone know if he was "special", just ordinary or out to lunch? Far worse drivers than him have had test laps.

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He did test.

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/other/2007/176.html

He crashed into the gravel, as the FIA official Formula One website illustrates.

FWIW......

http://www.flagworld.com/news/?p=3719

Bourdais got into Q3 today.

The car has a great setup and Le Seb delivered.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Bourdais got into Q3 today.

The car has a great setup and Le Seb delivered.

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Delivered?

4 places behind his "wunderkind" team-mate, same in the race.

That is not delivering. It's an improvement however, which is what Berger has demanded.

Starting 10th and finishing 10th isn't bad.

Shouldn't this be in the F-1 forum is this another shot in the "Can't tell the split is over" battle?