What is currently best - WRC or IRC

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Originally Posted by jparker

When somebody starts bashing something with no particular reason, then questions arise.

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What bashing?

Wim, you're right. It's not 'right' to compare Gronholm with Loix, Gronholm has got very much WRC wins and even the championship. But in terms of speed, would he be much faster than Loix (1sec/km like one stated here?) and apart from Loix, so much faster than the other IRC boys? I still don't think so and I still hope one day the fast men of WRC and IRC will meet in the same type of cars on the same rally, I think that would be a great rally.
(Was Panizzi so much faster than the other IRC boys last year, in a car he helped developing, he was the WRC asphalt specialist, wasn't he?)

It's so easy to say, the drivers in IRC are just the slower WRC's ones who didn't made it (like Loix and Kopecky) to the top. But 'speed' is not the only thing that makes or brakes career.

And IF the WRC drivers are so much faster then the IRC drivers, so wath? If the the rallies are exciting and the drivers are fighting for seconds, I think it is great already.

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Originally Posted by HaCo

It's so easy to say, the drivers in IRC are just the slower WRC's ones who didn't made it (like Loix and Kopecky) to the top. But 'speed' is not the only thing that makes or brakes career.

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Kopecky has shown in the last couple of years he is one of the WRCs fastest asphalt drivers, good point about Panizzi also, even if he is past his best.

For me, one of the main things that could be said in this thread is that IRC is very much "on the up" (this years driver lineup and entry lists have already been much stronger than last year. WRC is, at best, stagnant.

I am hopeful that if the new rules are allowed in, and the manufacturers wishes regarding the calendar are met, and promotion improves then it may bring in some more manufacturers which will mean drivers are hired on talent and not $$$.

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Originally Posted by HaCo

Wim, you're right. It's not 'right' to compare Gronholm with Loix, Gronholm has got very much WRC wins and even the championship. But in terms of speed, would he be much faster than Loix (1sec/km like one stated here?)

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Nobody has stated that Grönholm is one sec per/km faster than Loix on asphalt. I was just bringing Pug-time difference in order to imply that Grönholm is faster. Not saying that Grönholm would have trashed Freddy so badly in every car.

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Originally Posted by jparker

Why did Finns started to b**t IRC right from the begining? Do they think rallying belongs to them and everything in rally has to evolve around them?

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Yeah, we do. :D

But I for one enjoy IRC more at the moment. World Rally Championship seems to have lost its touch to "real rallying". It´s gone all too über-tech and rallyes are too alike. Damn, I wish I had been born 20 years earlier...

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Originally Posted by HaCo

I still don't think so and I still hope one day the fast men of WRC and IRC will meet in the same type of cars on the same rally, I think that would be a great rally.

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PWRC is open to every IRC driver, welcome 2009! Winner can call him/herself World Champion! I know PWRC is B-league, but if you can´t win in B-league, don´t go to A-league!
(btw.I like S2000 cars very much, so sorry that Finland is group N mitsu country, those are boring)

@pantealex: PWRC (as you know very well) is gravel league, IRC is asphalt one. Two different rally cultures, it's good they can exist independently.

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Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza

I am also a Belgian and I must say that I was never impressed about Loix in the Mitsu period. He made too much mistakes and was never able to fight for the victory in that years. In the Hyundai, he showed some speed and especially in Sweden with a broken feet.

It is a shame that a real rally legend as Grönholm is compared by Loix, who has never won a rally in the WRC. Loix is also not so fast as I expected in IRC this year. Last year, it was the car in IRC, in Condroz he retired without a good reason.

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@Wim, as a ex belgian I entirely agree. :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by Brother John

@Wim, as a ex belgian I entirely agree. :s mokin:

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You should not have taken his struggling so seriously that you changed nationality. :)

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Originally Posted by jparker

@pantealex: PWRC (as you know very well) is gravel league, IRC is asphalt one. Two different rally cultures, it's good they can exist independently.

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I agree!