Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Come to think of it, if Max is as sharp a lawyer as he reckons, he could now claim that he was doing His Majesty a great service by bravely unveiling the soft underbelly of MI5 before this information fell into the hands of the Queens enemies.

Thank Goodness for Max Mosley. Now we can all sleep safe in our beds tonight!!!!!

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What a cunning plan.... He was stinging their sting..

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Originally Posted by JSH

What a cunning plan.... He was stinging their sting..

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I think it was a case of a lot of Whacks rather than a sting. :p :

The way I see it, the prostitute was already in the business when they found out that they could get a fair bit of extra cash out of a tabloid by providing "News" footage with a hidden camera. That's what Prostitutes do - make money!! And if they can give him a few whacks in the process, so much the better.

I'll say this much for Max tho' - at his age to last out 5 hours in an S&M orgy is quite remarkable. That guy must have great stamina!! He must have access to some great vitamin pills as well as Viagra.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

They were forced to fire the man . That's how serious it was to have him married to this woman involved in this sting .

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Yes, but the fact that Max Mosley was involved is neither here nor there.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

As to why MI5 would bother Mosely , it does bring up a potential can of worms , as others might be involved .

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Like who? I'd like to know your theory behind this.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

If you are not worried that the screening process used by British secret service is either incapable of finding this info out , or that they knew but turned a blind eye to the wife of an agent being involved in illegal activities , then that's great .
Perhaps you feel that one's private life has , or should have nothing to do with whether they are capable of performing duties for which you are paying .

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I think you might be a bit over-concerned about the competence or otherwise of MI5. I don't see people in the UK quaking in their boots about what this might mean for national security.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I find your Kevin Bacon comment a poor attempt to try to discredit my point and would suggest you leave this kind of condescending quip out of this debate , as it is inflamatory , and does not befit one in a moderator's seat .

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I would much rather moderators were allowed to make points however they wish rather than having to remain bland and faceless.

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Originally Posted by janneppi

If they indeed were, which sounds ludicrous to even suggest, being targeted by the office that handles security threats inside UK, would make Max's indiscressions with prostitutes least of his problems.

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Very good point indeed.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I would much rather moderators were allowed to make points however they wish rather than having to remain bland and faceless.

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I totally agree with this. I have said many times before that the mods do a great job here, and I see absolutely no reason why they cannot and/or should not enjoy this forum the same as everyone else with some light hearted quips.

Sorry Baggy!! but I stand by our mods on this one, mate!!

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Originally Posted by janneppi

And firing the man is propably the right thing to do, but I'm still not seeing how MI5 is directly linked to this case? I think BDunnel said what I mean better in his post #63

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From what I've read, the person in question wasn't fired, but resigned.

I've also read where it is suggested that it was his wife that "organised" the pictures and videos for news of the world. So therefor its easy to assume that her husband had given her a hand with it, seeing as he was part of a servailence team. He may have been off duty at the time, but they may have been using MI5 equipment to get the video and pictures.

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Originally Posted by janneppi

If they indeed were, which sounds ludicrous to even suggest, being targeted by the office that handles security threats inside UK, would make Max's indiscressions with prostitutes least of his problems.

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I wouldn't decribe it as ludicrous that the MI5 could take an interest in Max's affairs. He has a very "global" career, and may unwittingly give terrorist access to the uk

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Am I right assuming you aware of the six degrees of Kevin Bacon game?

It was not mean as neither inflamatrory, nor condesending and I'm rather disappointed in you if you see it as such.

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Well, I doubt you have a complete understanding of the game. It is meant to connect Actors to Kevin Bacon.. not people who happen to know people.

However, it can be expanded to "Television" shows as well. in which case, Max Mosley has a Bacon score of three:

Max Mosley has a Kevin Bacon number of 3.

Max Mosley was in "ITV - Formula One" (1997) {2007 British Grand Prix} with Frankie Dettori
Frankie Dettori was in "Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway" (2002) {(#3.4)} with Sarah Michelle Gellar
Sarah Michelle Gellar was in Air I Breathe, The (2007) with Kevin Bacon

BTW: One summer we had a vacation, had we video taped it all, and turned it into a movie, I would also have a score of three :)

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Originally Posted by PSfan

From what I've read, the person in question wasn't fired, but resigned.

I've also read where it is suggested that it was his wife that "organised" the pictures and videos for news of the world. So therefor its easy to assume that her husband had given her a hand with it, seeing as he was part of a servailence team. He may have been off duty at the time, but they may have been using MI5 equipment to get the video and pictures.

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If that's the case, the man should face some tough questions about using company tools on his free time. Which most like wouldn't be a public matter.

It seems as if Max has opened a seriously big can of worms with his letter, because Bernie has responded.

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Ecclestone says ready to fight Mosley
Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone has said he will defend his corner in the battle for the future of the sport if FIA president Max Mosley wants a fight over it.
Reacting to a letter Mosley wrote to national automobile clubs last week, ahead of the FIA Extraordinary General Assembly meeting on June 3 to decide his future, the Briton warned that the governing body risked losing control of F1 to commercial rights holders Ecclestone and CVC partners if he was forced from office.
Ecclestone has said he was taken aback by those suggestions and has revealed that CVC is to follow up Mosley's letter with their own explanation of the situation.
"I sincerely hope that it isn't a declaration of war because, if that's what the message should be, then we'll have to defend ourselves," Ecclestone told The Times.
"That is what anyone would do. I don't believe that's what Max wanted the letter to say. I don't want to have a war with Max. I hope he doesn't want one with me.
"This whole business is really about what was printed in the News of the World and whether this in any way damaged the FIA clubs or the FIA - that's all.
"It's nothing to do with anything else and I don't quite know why he's come out and said these things. I am sorry if the press have reported things which he doesn't like, but we certainly don't have any influence over the FIA."

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67590
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle3972611.ece

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Originally Posted by janneppi

If that's the case, the man should face some tough questions about using company tools on his free time. Which most like wouldn't be a public matter.

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I think that was pure conjecture. The video images were, at best blurry and very amateurish, and as I posted above, she probably wanted to make some good money by allerting "NEWS". Why the hell would she tell her husband that she is going to take part in an orgy, let alone photograph the guy? There is no evidence of this whatsoever.

I think it is necessary to think about this: Why would a prostitute tell her husband what the hell she is up to?

OK, lets look at facts and apply some reasoned deduction to the situation.

It may be that Max was subject to an elaborate sting from MI5, Bernie Ecclestone, Ron Dennis or the Moonies. However, it's a bit far fetched but I suppose there is a chance that the moon landings are indeed an elaborate hoax as well. I should imagine that people disposed to believe in conspiracy theories will readily believe that this is some sort of govermental stitch up because of who Max's father was :laugh:

What is more likely is that Max likes a bit of S&M and probably gets off on German role play, dictatorship sex games. Quite unpallatable but some people like that.

What is also likely is that someone saw an opportunity to make a bit of money by selling this story to the NotW. Happens every day and nothing strange there. The public love a bit of controvacy and Max is an easy target because of the past and present.

What is also logical is that the partner of a MI5 employee was either with his knowledge, or more likely, without, involved in this mess. It's something that goes on.

Lastly, it is reasonable to assume that once this was known, MI5 called the man in and asked what the hell was going on. His wife's actions have caused MI5 to be called to question and the man was probably "encouraged" to do the right thing.

This all seems quite obvious and although gossip mongers would like some sinister campaign to believe in, the most logical answer is usually the correct one.

The only thing that I find incredible is that Max didn't do the same as the MI5 officer and step aside to avoid bringing the FIA into disrepute. As it is, the damage that has been done to the organisation will have serious ramifications that will last for some time to come.