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BUT, he's talking in the hypothetical. Everyone was playing under the same existing rules. What's to say, hypothetically, that if the rules were different, more teams would have put in a stronger effort day1? Maybe he would have ended up 18th either way...Quote:
Originally Posted by indycool
Monday's Miami Herald had a small columm mentioning Foyt IV's Gas Cap incident and that is it. Nothing about Bump Day. Nothing about the suspense.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Now the Miami Herald is the Newspaper of record for a major metropolitan area where the IRL starts it's season and where a large percentage of it's racers call home. Including some of their main stars, Helio, TK, RHR among others.
It is obvious that the 2 weeks of qualifying isn't working.
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Again this is the same single market you talked about before. I repeat, does one market's result mean it is not working? Also as has been said numerous times in this thread by myself and others, we are now three months into unification, and the "experts" have declared that they "know" the format isn't working. Are you as good at predicting stock futures after it has been on the market for three months?
Gary
A quick search of Internet trends shows that the Indy 500 is running about 15% to 20% below last year's searches. Not Good.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Gary,
You like the current format. Fine. But even you would have to admit that the interest and popularity of the Indy 500 is nowhere near what it was 10 years ago.
You say it has only been three months so give it time. I say it has been 3 months and no appreciable gains has been made. How much time should we give it? 3 more months? The year?
At least and then some. You won't change peoples perceptions overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Currently the IRL is more STOCK than Stock car racing....When things were different was when the cars were more advanced techincally than NASCAR. THey still are but are exactly the same, so stock!!!
However if the teams and series go back to pushing new technologies then costs will rise as in F1, (not to the same level- clearly).
Right now Stock is good for the IRL, but the month maybe a touch too long. I think the IRL is doing well, I would have thought things would have been better this year, maybe it'll take another 13 years for the series to return to the CART days, but things weren't so great then I guess (according to some), just better than now.
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Oh please, don't tell me let me guess you think that Internet searches are a significant market indicator. :eek: Sorry, I don't subscribe to that notion at all and I make my business in IT.
I never said I like the current format. Actually I think the 11-11-11 scenario is ridiculous. But I do like the "Month of May" concept. And that info about the Indy 500 being less popular than it was 10 years ago comes as just a total shock to me. My, oh my. Please Anthony say it isn't so. I am just devastated by that news. [shakes head and rolls eyes]
What the ***** did you expect in 3 months, a freakin' miracle? How much time should we give it? At the very least a year. As close to the motorsports inside as you claim to be, I should think you would understand the sponsorship cycle a little bit more. Marketing budgets were already set by most large consumer oriented companies when the merger was announced. So we will see no real marketing benefits until next season. But it is pretty obvious there are several already starting to circle looking to join in. Have you heard about the billboards around Indy for a certain beer company with a Dallara prominently displayed on it?
Look, the damage was done over the past 12+ years, your expectations that a miracle MUST happen overnite (OK 3 months) or we have to blow up the entire concept and start from scratch is ridiculous at best and indicative of your own personal agenda at worst.
Do I like everything about what is going on right now, no. But I am not going to pretend to be such an expert as to call for a revamp of the process at this juncture.
Gary
Then you must not make much money. Internet Searches are a huge indicator. I subscribe to that notion and I make my business in Marketing!Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
No but at least something. Some movement. So far....NADA!Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Wait a year before any measurable bump? Yikes. Luckily IMS isn't a publically traded company or that stock would crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Ok so it was too late for this year's marketing budget and yet a beer company was able to come up with some sponsor dollars? Make up your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Most major companies hold $$$ in reserve for late oppourtunities. As far as marketers are concerned there was none as the numbers haven't matched the hype.
Nobody said a Miracle! But something. If anything the doward spiral has continued.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
And what is my agenda? You agenda is to brand anyone who disagrees with you as an IRL hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
I am. It is not working. It hasn't worked for years.Quote:
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If it had been a publicly traded company it would have crashed long ago and that is exactly the point. Once it did bottom out, no one would expect it to rise up again in three months.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
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Originally Posted by garyshell
Really? The beer company must have seen something. They spent some of their reserves. But that is peanuts, the REAL story will be this fall when the budgets are doled out. Then we'll see where things stand. Till then it's all speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
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Originally Posted by garyshell
By what measure? The local Miami paper is all you have sighted thus far. How else are you guaging this "doward" spiral?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
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Originally Posted by garyshell
What is your agenda? Let's see, if I go to your website http://www.sfmreport.com and scroll down to the bottom of the page and in the far left column what do I see as the very last icon link? You tell ME what that means. It sure isn't a link to the I love the ICS website is it? It's the home of the FTG, FKK, FBB, FIRL, F everything that has anything to do with the ICS. That coupled with your messages here speaks volumes. Do you have anything to back up the assertion that I brand anyone who disagrees with me as an IRL hater? No you don't. The only ones I call out on that are the ones who give that appearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
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Yes, I noticed and I am not talking about the "not working part".Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Gary
Only way you boys are gonna sort this out is with pistols at 20 paces....