Good that he's speaking out, but I'm slightly wary of what he's saying.......I think he's wanting something like end of leg points for Friday & Saturday....He's right about the Sunday though.
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Good that he's speaking out, but I'm slightly wary of what he's saying.......I think he's wanting something like end of leg points for Friday & Saturday....He's right about the Sunday though.
Its gonna be a tough one to solve apart from fresh tyres for the PS.
Like many motorsport events and some other sports, the excitement drops away after the result has become decided. Like in F1 the win isn't often in doubt after the halfway point, or in football if one team has a decent lead with 20 mins to go.
It's fundamental for rallying has to have the endurance element and so every event cant always have a super-close battle for positions right to the end...
Lets wait till his idea/s become public and then give a verdict.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Rally is not only sprint + sprint + sprint (stages), but also strategy to keep all resources lasting (cars, tires, etc). From competition for overall places or from general entertainment point of view I can not see any benefit to get fresh set of tires for PowerStage.
When it comes to play - if super-rally guys have more fresh tires left than those who have done full race, then competitors with super-rally have tire-advantage for powerstage. Like it was this time (Sardegna) with Tänak and Takamoto.
So, I don't see fresh tires for powerstage for solution to make Sundays more interesting, as the main reason is lack of competitors and because of that, not enough for fighting for positions (and it will be extra killed with team-orders). But I can see the point to make it more equal to earn PowerStage points.
Even if someone have big lead in rallying nothing is decided until the last stage finishline. Look at Rally2 last weekend, for example.
That´s the secret with rallying. You never know final result until end.
PS fresh tires, absolutely. Thursday to Saturday, maybe.
I think the big bosses should take a common close look for a future format. In bosses I would include organizer representants, for example Kai T from Finland. They would also have a lot to say I guess.
Not sprint, but more endurance needed.
Points for the overall rally win. Points awarded at the end of each day for that days performances. i.e three rallies in one rally.
Yeah I read his Friday/Saturday comments to mean something like an over-hyping or gimmicky addition to the days proceedings. So long as the legs are long enough and arduous enough I think the entertainment will come in the form of not knowing exactly what’s going to unfold.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
There’s not much wrong other than each leg could do with being a bit longer (especially the pathetically short Sundays)
If they decide to award extra points for days, stages etc then they must also change the overall points system, because otherwise winning/finishing rally doesn't meen too much..
Even at the moment 5 points from PS is quite a lot.. in Sardegna Rovanperä got more points for 3rd + PS win than Lappi for finishing rally on 2nd place.
But some changes are needed for sure..
Yes the points system would need looking at. Just throwing the idea out there, it would at least stop the cruising to the power stage on a Sunday.
I would suggest something along the lines of keeping overall points for the rally the same as is, but points for the day (leaderboard for the day based on that particular days performance, not the overall leaderboard) awarded to the top 6 on that day and starting at 10 points like the old system. Do away with power stage as that should see drivers scrapping to the last stage.
The final day issue of 'managing a lead' or 'cruising' so as to avoid the risk of losing your result isn't confined to WRC. It happens and has happened for years in many, many rallies at all levels.
For example the other weekend Fourmaux was doing the Jim Clark Rally in the BRC. After two stages on the Friday night he'd built up a lead of 28 seconds. He then went through the 6 Saturday steadily and never in the top 3 stage times but still won the rally....
With more entrants there'd be less of a chance of boring Sundays. When we had more entrants and manufacturers, there was often cruising Sunday, but there was more often battles for positions and podium places so that there usually would be something of interest to watch. Nowadays I often skip watching Sundays until powerstage.
There is a lot of feedback loops in WRC. Less entrants causes less interest causes less entrants and so on..
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Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katvala
Of course its more fighting with more entrants, you can't drive safe if someone pushing you.
Weird, those insane spectacular cars people need to have, are boring most of the rally....
People want fighting and close racing all weekend, Rally1 formula don't work, then Rally2 can give fans what they really want.
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Do u guys follow more motorsports series on social media? I dont use it a lot.. i honestly open them one or two times a week or so, but man, sports championships are getting SO ANNYING with lots of 5 to 20 sec pointless clips. Jeeez is this how Youngster live? Its weird to think "this is what they gotta do in order to be relevant". But like, I still dont believe these people are actually watching motorsport. They probably just watch these quick clips of a crash (nascar, rally) or a "funny radio message" (f1/indy) or a nice whip (motocross) and think "Cool"... And thats it. Its like, these Championships need to have racing for their fans and "CONTENT" for non fans. WHY? I dont understand haha whats the point in having mu cousing saying "rallying is awesome, look at this car going crazy fast into a tree"...- Oh, do you watch rally?.. "No".
Haha is there value in this?? Or its the same BS about "Electric Cars will make the world clean, lets transport them on aeroplanes to Kenya"?
Haha ahh everything is so weird, mate
I think your point is really good, this tiktok stupidity is what they get used to, its ruined peoples attentionspan.
I don't use [un]social media that much, mostly FB og Instagram due to work and follow some motorsport, mostly rally.
The concentration and attention of both kids and adults these days is close to a joke, its ruined just in last 10 years.
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You guys are right. Nothing has really changed that much in the way the WRC events run, but people's general way of being entertained has. They've started to expect action and drama non-stop.
All-Live can show a lot of boring onboards of just a dirt track ahead. People who aren't interested should dip in and out more and if there are no battles to excite them then just wait for the Power Stage.
Kalle visiting and testing some Daigo Saito's drifting cars https://youtu.be/ioMyyP3aTZ0
I think whatever you do with points, do it gradually. Start with one point for the best time over the Sunday morning excluding PS. If that seems to do something but is not enough, increase it to one point per Sunday morning stage. Keep with small, steady tweaks and plenty of time to see how they work. Stop when done.
Really enjoying the drifting vlogs on Kalle's channel. I wonder when he will start to focus his efforts at being a champ in one of those Championship. Maybe after a second WRC title?
Do we know if his drifting mechanics work in his WRC car?
DACIA entering Dakar, signed Loeb and C Gutierrez (current champions in ExtremeE)
Jeezz, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CHOOSE WRC INSTEAD OF OTHER SERIES?? haha =´[
Ah...just noticed that the absolute rally podcast is really dead :/
The guys did the last ever episode last year. I missed that. Thats sad..
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So far, Ogies is leading every session =P
Seb won the Super Buggy class.... Dani Sordo won the Sprint Car class!
NICE!! I mean, of course Seb was using an FIA European Champion car against only privateers... but thats cool anyway! He was racing with a BMW engine, in case anyone is interested =P
TWO WRC'17 cars in the Rally Bohemia. A Msport Fiesta (Dohnal) and a C3 (Skála).
Couldnt find their finishing positions on e-wrc results thos... not on the regular rally nor in the 'historical'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcOTji6Ftlg
fiscorpun, they only attended 1st leg and did not competed at Sunday, thus they are not listed in results. Although at ewrc-results they are both listed as those who competed only 1st leg. https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/8...-bohemia-2023/
Ahhhhhhh I see!! Thanks for the info! TnxQuote:
Originally Posted by kure91
Half-way through the season, time to take stock:
1. Toyota will NOT lose the Manufacturers' title. They were favourites at the start of the season. Now they are near dead-cert.
2. Kalle Rovanpera has added maturity to his undoubted pace and is beginning to look like the complete deal.
3. Hyundai have failed to build on their end of year momentum and appear unable to bridge the gap decisively.
4. M-Sport Ford are stuck in a rut, it would appear. Outright pace not in doubt, but reliability very iffy.
5. Esapekka Lappi proving more than a match for Neuville on gravel. Good signing.
Our forum has been quiet. I'm sure there is plenty more that we have all observed.
Petter S was at Goodwood, driving a Škoda Octavia WRC, and was a passenger in Toyotas Rally2 car. Good possibility to see oliver in that car next year i presume.
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So after what Rally Kalle will secure his second title? After Greece or Chile? :)
Soon, very soon..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
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If I had to guess, Chile; last year he 'only' took the championship after NZ with 2 rounds remaining and he held a much larger advantage. He'll probably have an off like Ypres last year in the next few rallies. All guesses of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Disasterous for Lancia as it is, but as i understand Loebs season is over, maybe this will free some time for a wrc start maybe? (dreaming big i know) but it may be a possibility?
Probably won’t as long as Tänak is there, I presume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
I was thinking about the current WRC situation. Fans complain, no new manufacturers are interested, popularity is low in social media etc
I reached the conclusion that rallying in general is a great sport to watch from close, to be on the mountains and witness the spectacle and the sound BUT it is not so exciting to watchf from TV/phone/tablet.
And unfortunately, we live in the social media era, and this is a problem (the promoter must solve).
What is your opinion on this?
I am long time rally fan, since ealry 80th in one or other form of intensity and interest level. Excitement, personalities, nice cars.... there are plenty of issues. But the main thing - it had become too corporate, rounded, predictable, especially through the screen (as mentioned above). There is no fix to it, just turning some tides and directions to try smth new. Rallying is not F1 with all those set-formats; allow freedom to organizers, work to create real competition, look for new and interesting ideas rotate rallies to get new territories.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
Several wiews on this.
The cars: todays cars is insane, both in speed, spectacle, and price.
To few teams, cars and drivers, no privaters, no talents got seats.
This ruleset kills the sport, its not working at all. People wants competition, someone they can sheer on. Its hard to say, but its not like that these days.
A Rally2 based championship going to be much nicer, if FIA also open for private team can build new models, we are back to the fantastic Gr.A times again.
Of course the factoryteams going to have the egde, but some local heros and real talents has a possibility to shake things up.
Social media: its just matter of time before the rush for social media is over.
Its already quite visible that its going downwards, my kids hardly use it anymore (17 & 20 yrs) tiktok is for dancing 12yrs girls, no serious provider bother of using this kind of SoMe.
Facebook and Instagram can stil be used to "spread the word", but i think the only solution is good and easy to find websites with free stuff, not everything of course, but enough that new fans find it and can discover it without the need to pay.
And, the most important, get it on television again. Lots of people use that plattform, but as streaming via a "smart" solution.
Why not a "drive to survive" kind of consept on some streaming-plattform? And ofcourse the races on the same plattform.
Use YouTube to gather interest, some good sum-up videos from the races, background stories etc.
If you have a Rally2 based championship, both the regulars and the talents/local heroes is in the show, build up the exitment before the races with good stories, easier for the upcoming drivers to get sponsors, since they get visible "on air", present the local heroes and up&coming drivers so people get to know them proper before races, etc
Still keep the WRC+ plattform, but use all the other mentioned above to gather interest and new users/fans.
Maybe also get rid of the manufacturer rules, thats not helping the sport.
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[QUOTE=skarderud;1329636]Several wiews on this.
The cars: todays cars is insane, both in speed, spectacle, and price.
To few teams, cars and drivers, no privaters, no talents got seats.
This ruleset kills the sport, its not working at all. People wants competition, someone they can sheer on. Its hard to say, but its not like that these days.
A Rally2 based championship going to be much nicer, if FIA also open for private team can build new models, we are back to the fantastic Gr.A times again.
Of course the factoryteams going to have the egde, but some local heros and real talents has a possibility to shake things up.
Social media: its just matter of time before the rush for social media is over.
Its already quite visible that its going downwards, my kids hardly use it anymore (17 & 20 yrs) tiktok is for dancing 12yrs girls, no serious provider bother of using this kind of SoMe.
Facebook and Instagram can stil be used to "spread the word", but i think the only solution is good and easy to find websites with free stuff, not everything of course, but enough that new fans find it and can discover it without the need to pay.
And, the most important, get it on television again. Lots of people use that plattform, but as streaming via a "smart" solution.
Why not a "drive to survive" kind of consept on some streaming-plattform? And ofcourse the races on the same plattform.
Use YouTube to gather interest, some good sum-up videos from the races, background stories etc.
If you have a Rally2 based championship, both the regulars and the talents/local heroes is in the show, build up the exitment before the races with good stories, easier for the upcoming drivers to get sponsors, since they get visible "on air", present the local heroes and up&coming drivers so people get to know them proper before races, etc
Still keep the WRC+ plattform, but use all the other mentioned above to gather interest and new users/fans.
Maybe also get rid of the manufacturer rules, thats not helping the sport.
I agree with most of this.
With the penalty for Tanak this rally started with 4/5 competitive cars in Rally1, that is useless for driving the sport forward. Even though 8 Rally1 cars were entered, 2 of them are currently a waste of seat and Suninen was first time in the car.
Rally2 (or similar) rule set would work, the quality/depth of the field would increase dramatically and it would be possible to run a semi-factory privately backed team with a possibility to compete.
Not sure about the Drive to Survive style programme, I think they need to get the championship back on track first before that kind of thing will become popular.
I think the "promoter" is failing miserably at doing that. Although there are unquestionably far bigger issues to deal with, just a thought with regards social media and spreading visibilty of the WRC. A simple enough way of trying to improve social media would be to make use of fan recorded clips in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
Here in Ireland there is a competition on a lot of rallies where fans send in there own recorded videos and the most viewed clip wins rally merchandise. Fans capture far more of the action than the official footage does and it certainly helps spread the most exciting moments to a wider audience. Also all the videos are in the one place so easy to find so you almost inevitably watch many clips instead of just one or two.
If the WRC had something like that to help bring videos like those below together and spread them to a wider audience I think it would do more for the promotion of the sport than some of the rather repetive and almost sterile coverage that is used. Just the sound of the cars and spectator reactions beats the commentary almost every time on short videos like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VkVb66ZgN8
https://twitter.com/paddocknews/stat...01322761347076
Rally2 for more competition and all that is good, but for the spectacle it's not good enough in my opinion.
I thought it would be better at the ERC event in Sweden than what it was.
I probably won't travel to watch an event further away with only Rally2, it's like watching a Norwegian event just 8-10 fast cars compared to 4-5