Yes, as soon it comes to DK ;)Quote:
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Yes, as soon it comes to DK ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Cool. Please report back here with comparisons to the 4S.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
I will but could take some time as I don't know when it gets here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
That's nice to know Pino cheers. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
I'll wave to you as you queue at the Apple store in Regent Street shall I? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
He could always avoid grotty London and buy it in one of the nicer Apple stores in the country ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I'd never queue for an iPhone, a game or anything product based like that. The people who queue for days and days just so they can say they were first really confuse me. :)
By coincidence just seen an S4 in person. Looks nice, but also looks a little laggy. Hmm
It will be a lot more laggy in comparison to iOS, but it depends if the other benefits (i.e the ability to customise) outweigh some of the annoyances for you? One thing you notice jumping from Android to iOS is how smooth the iPhone is to use, or at least I did. If you want a big screen and endless settings, its what you will have to put up with on Android. A mate of mine has the HTC One and he swears blind it has no lag and is as fluid as my iPhone. Whenever I demonstrate it though he can't see it, yet I can. Its obvious to me. Its probably not much to worry about in the grand scheme though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Got iOS7 last night. Not sure about it yet tbh, will have to spend more time getting used to it. It seems rather my clunky and less slick but then I've been using the previous versions for 3 years.
I will install it as soon as I make som space on my 4S. Can't decide what artists delete from my music, wish I had a 128GB version :p:
I had to delete all of my UK maps to make space!Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Get an S4, then you can expand the storage. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by pino
No thanks, I am fine with the iPhone :p:
iOS7 seems to have left me with a bit more space compared with iOS6.
After a short time getting used to iOS7 I do quite like it. It does seem a bit more polished than iOS6 but fundamentally it does the same things in the same ways.
But isn't that the case with all Iphones? They all look more or less the same and have the same Ios versionQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
(to some extent) and the same functions. Regardless of if it is a Ip4s, Ip5, Ip5s?
What differences is there between a 4s and a 5s besides the fingerprint scanner?
And what differences are the between a 4s, 5 and 5c?
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Originally Posted by BleAivano
There aren't a lot of differences. Between the 4S and the 5S, then the main things are the 4" instead of 3.5" screen, and a much faster processor.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/Quote:
And what differences are the between a 4s, 5 and 5c?
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Originally Posted by Mark
Ok, I was just wondering why people is so eager to spend so much money on something
that is basically the same as what they already have?
Do similar comparison between the S3 and S4 and the S4 is significantly better then its predecessor,
yet I can hardly understand why someone who bought a S3 last year now spends the money on the S4.
Also for you pros and cons between S4 and 5s: http://www.versus.com/sv/apple-iphone-5 ... xy-s4-64gb
That's the reason I haven't ordered a 5S ;). It's substantially the same as my 4S, with only relatively minor advantages.
Whereas the Galaxy S4 is completely different.
PS Just seen the Galaxy Note 3, looks really nice, apart from the 'leather' back which is awful awful awful and a complete deal breaker.
The "smoothness" of OS's is usually down to animations which make you think a phone is fast when it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Endomondo is on Windows Phone. Personally I've not seen anything that Strava does that I'd actually want?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Yes indeed. My 4S is noticeably slower with iOS7 despite more animations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Windows Phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-575421 ... p-50-apps/
To say that app's are practically non-existent on Windows Phone is rather ignorant of the facts to say the least.
The only one of the top 50 apps now not available on windows phone is Instragram.
I can't remember what two phones I was comparing once, but I remember that the one that "felt" faster wasn't actually the one that was quicker, the animations just gave the impression of speed, a phone that merely sits on the same screen appearing not to do anything will always feel slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Not at all I've nothing against Windows phone. Seems like a fine OS. But there's little point switching to something which doesn't have the app support I'm looking for. That would be foolish in the extreme.
There's more to an OS than app support though. There's a reason Malbec was recommending Windows Phone, they really are fantastic, i wish I'd waited till the 1020 and upcoming 1520 are out. Imo the cameras on the high end Lumia's are reason enough to not care about a couple of apps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Missing Instagram is a plus, surely? :p
A good part of my mobile experience is had with apps I have to say. I like to have a good choice and one of the positives for me with iOS, is the fact apps are heavily vetted so that they run smoothly with my phone. The App Store is well supported and I feel Windows phone still has a fair few years of catching up to do in order to match Android and Apple. If you don't use apps extensively then it would make little difference what OS your chose.
I think in many cases it boils down to personal preference. I could move back to android and have no issues as it's an OS I am very familiar with. Windows phone isn't to my taste (lack of notifications and dislike the aesthetics of live tiles), although it matches iOS for stability and a relatively lag free experience from what I have seen. I found with Android it's laggy, but you get used to it. Android is the OS to have if you want unlimited choice, and the other two if you want easy, reliable, and relatively hassle free.
I love iOS 7 I have to add. After a few days using it it very fluid, prettier to look at and seems to have slightly improved my battery life, or so it appears. It runs pretty smooth on the iPhone 5 but is very slightly slower on the 4 as I saw earlier on my father in laws.
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Windows Phone is gaining traction and it is starting to rise to numbers that app makers will be finding hard to ignore any day now.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 94832.html
At one point Microsoft was actually paying for companies to design games to compete with companies who refused to write apps for Windows Phone, so you either write a game for Windows Phone or Microsoft pays for someone to come and take the market share you would have had ;)
Nokia has flooded the market with so many models that there is one at every price point, unlike when they launched their WP7 devices with only the relatively high end Lumia 800.
It might be taking longer than Microsoft would have hoped, but Microsoft are making real gains, Apple still don't have a cheap model, they're always going to lose market share to people who simply don't want to pay over 30 quid a month for last years model in a coloured shell.
I don't think Apple need a cheap model personally. If someone wants a cheap phone, there are hundreds already in the market to choose from. The 5c is a facelift version of my 5, but will attract those ready to upgrade at the kind of price the outgoing 5 would have had. It has its niche and the 5s will pick up those willing to pay standard consistent iPhone prices. If the prices are still too high for some, it's not like there is lack of choice elsewhere. If I decide on my next upgrade I can't justify the cost, i'll get a top end Android phone. It would have to be the stock edition though having got used to the stability of iOS.
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The problem is this, market share.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
The more low end customers who go to Android or Windows Phone as their first smart phone purchase, the less of the total market that Apple has, once Windows Phone equals Apple in marketshare, then there'll be less and less of an excuse for App makers not to make Windows Phone apps, then the competition will be based purely on specs and functionality and Apple will start to fall away.
We've all seen how quickly Android overtook iOS, if Windows Phone does it then Apple are in deep doo doo.
Android will always maintain a larger proportion of the market than Apple because they cover a wider range of consumer. Nokia will most probably overtake Apple too at some stage because they are more affordable. Apple although occupy a fourth of what android does in the market, still make more profit and have maintained that for the past 4 years. There would have to be a serious decline in interest for Apple to be considered to be in trouble IMO. There is certainly no sign of trouble yet. Market share is important, but consistency and profit seem to be Apples priority over domination. We'll see, I'm not worried.
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Your right Apple didn't need the 5C. IMO it's pitched wrong. They should have perhaps recased the iPhone 4 and made it much cheaper in order to make a big difference to the 5S.
Part of the reason the 5C is so expensive is that they don't want people buying a 5C who would have otherwise bought a 5S. Thus the price difference is small.
As for Windows. It'll get there of course. As long as Microsoft keep going with it. Which they show every intention of so doing especially as they now own a handset manufacturer.
I switched from Nokia when the apps I wanted were available on iPhone. I'm considering Android now all the apps I need are there. I'm dismissing Windows as the apps aren't there but when they are. Things might change. I'm happy to use whatever device is going to work best for me.
Unlike some who will only base their choice on what company makes it ;)
What apps do you need? Just out of curiosity why is strava a must have over Endomondo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I understand why they're protecting the 5s, but in time the money they will make on each handset sale will become less of an issue than the profit they make on app sales.
When I bought my first Windows Phone back in 2010 WP was a bit of a joke in terms of Apps, but I've never really been an app person, I use my phone for browsing the web and when I use facebook, I use the web version because no matter what I've tried, it's always faster, when I check in I'm forced to use the app if I want to tag people and upload a photo at the same time, but that's about it.
I go for an interface, how the phone feels, the screen and a decent camera. Sadly for Apple, they don't lead the market in any of these fields. I spose you could say their build quality is good, but I don't want something so small and up until the iPhone 5, something that had a glass back. I dropped my Lumia 800 back in December when it didn't have its silicone bumper on, it got a tiny crack in the bottom right corner of the screen, if it were an iPhone it would have been a new screen and a new back probably.
The problem for Apple is cost, I suspect one of the reasons you would consider swapping is cost, any current Apple phone on a contract is expensive, you can get a Windows or Android equivalent for 5-10 pounds less per month which is quite a bit over 24 months.
For less than a 5c will cost you per month, you can get a Lumia 1020 which is a flagship with a fantastic camera. Depending on my job situation, I might get myself a 1020 or a 1520 for Christmas :) I like my Ativ S, but it's just not a Nokia and I know that the first time I drop it properly, it's going to fly apart at a rate of knots.
I think you're right, a lower cost iPhone 4 equivalent would have been better.
Personal preference and priorities concerning features is all that really sets top end phones apart. It's all subjective and everyone has different ideas to how they want a phone to feel. The iPhone was no more expensive than the top end Android phone of the time last year, the S3. I chose it on personal feel and what it could do. Most people I know own the iPhone so it generates very little discussion which is why it's nice to share experiences on the internet. Our little secret though :p
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In terms of the OS, iOS hasn't really evolved all that much since it launched though. It's still the basic grid design.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
In related news, Caroline will probably be upgrading to a Lumia 920 or 925 this week after using my hand me down Samsung Omia 7 since 2 Christmases ago.
This coming from the person that started the thread thinking the iPad would tank. I'm guessing investors aren't lined up at your door trying to figure out what the tech markets are doing. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I think a lot of people read way too much crap into all this. For the majority of people, they are basic communication devices and all are capable of what the majority use them for. So just like cars, people just buy what they like and are comfortable with. If everyone I know goes out and switches to Apple, or WP, it won't make me run out and get one. But if I decide I want an iPhone or WinPhone, I'll get one, know matter what anyone else thinks.
I really pity the people who get so hung up on the whole thing. If the forum is any indication, most people don't worry about it all that much for their phones, and they certainly don't worry about what phones others are using.
It hasn't needed to have changed as far as I am concerned. What more do you need than all your apps and shortcuts on one screen? A design does not have to change every single year to earn kudos or prove it works. The grid design is a recognisable element of the iPhone. It's a design many others have taken influence from too. Microsoft have a live tile interface which is three years old now and is their look that no other OS shares. I don't like it and you may not like Apples, but they both work well and appeal to different types of people. I just worry about what appeals to me. Market share and opinions on the age of a design have no overall influence on my upgrade decisions. At least on that basis I can't be accused of following a crowd lol. :)Quote:
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True though that maybe, for Mark, app support is what he clearly looks for in a mobile OS. And if the app support he needs is not as well supported on a Windows 'phone, then that will be why he does not rate it as high as others.Quote:
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