Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

As FIA President Max Mosley personally represents the FIA in its entirety worldwide. It is therefore not laughable that he has been snubbed by royalty, politicians and multinational corporations all of whom have a considerable stake in F1.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67958

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These would be the same Royalty, Politicians & Multinational corporations who have not announced they will not be continuing to host and sponsor motorsport events? Yes, they are.

Unless you can show proof of a motorsport event being cancelled or of sponsorship being withdrawn, you have no evidence to back up your weak argument.

ADAC, by the way, are responsible for the next Grand Prix are they not? That event is going full steam ahead....which utterly discredits your point that their withdrawal from the FIA has had any effect whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

If you're going to wildly speculate about "E"'s reasons for not showing up today, one could equally wonder whether she'd been bribed or threatened. I can think of plenty more reasons why she didn't show up! :dozey:

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A definate possibility. However all the conspiracy theories
that have been laid out on this forum have failed to materialize!
Fact: She took a powder!!

It's probably we won't know the full effects for at least a year. Sponsors are in place, agreements have been signed, it's highly unlikely they'll pull out over Nazigate. What will be interesting is whether any potential future sponsors or manufacturers have been put off by this affair.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Other European car manufacturers are considering joining the action on the Formula One grid, according to BMW Sauber boss Mario Theissen.

The German said he understands Audi, Volkswagen and Porsche are interested in the sport's current direction; like BMW's trajectory of success with a reasonable budget, and road-relevant new technologies like KERS.

Theissen also said some Asian manufacturers could follow suit.


"Already my colleagues in the road car research and development department are knocking on our door," Theissen added.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...06121528.shtml

It appears, according to the good doctor, that German makers are more
interested in F1 now than before the regrettable invasion into Max's life!
Apparently KERS trumps canes! :laugh:

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I think most people will agree that some recent rule changes have been a step in the right direction. No TC or LC for example has helped produce a better, fairer spectacle. Lets hope this continues to go in the right direction and the FIA don't cock the sport up again.

But that doesn't change the effect of Maxgate though. Are you suggesting that Max's scandle and subsequent behaviour has had no negative impact on the FIA and F1?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

But that doesn't change the effect of Maxgate though. Are you suggesting that Max's scandle and subsequent behaviour has had no negative impact on the FIA and F1?

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It doesn't appear to....unless you know of an event or deal that isn't going ahead because of it.

Do you?

That is the crux of this argument. Both you & Arrows claim that damage has been done, that F1 has suffered from the justifiably negative headlines generated by Max.

So far, neither of you have given us anything concrete to support your view.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I really fail to see what point some people here are trying to make. It seems that people here are argueing with Arrows for the sake of it

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Perhaps you don't appreciate my style?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

rather than whether Maxgate has had a negative impact on F1. Perhaps there is more of a personal agenda here than a case for arguement?

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But you are an excellent mind reader! :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I think most people will agree that some recent rule changes have been a step in the right direction. No TC or LC for example has helped produce a better, fairer spectacle. Lets hope this continues to go in the right direction and the FIA don't cock the sport up again.

But that doesn't change the effect of Maxgate though. Are you suggesting that Max's scandle and subsequent behaviour has had no negative impact on the FIA and F1?

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That question is too subjective for anyone to give an empirical answer.
I think that pitching him out has a degree of possibility that it could damage the sport.
I think the status quo is in the best interest of F1
I see no evidence that I will see noticeable damage unless we have Max's eminent demise!

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Originally Posted by tamburello

These would be the same Royalty, Politicians & Multinational corporations who have not announced they will not be continuing to host and sponsor motorsport events?

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True, but that does not alter the fact they did not want to associate with an FIA headed by the current President.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Unless you can show proof of a motorsport event being cancelled or of sponsorship being withdrawn, you have no evidence to back up your weak argument.

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By that deliberately selective and narrow set of conditions there has, as yet, been no damage done, or any effect felt. It's as if I were to say that unless you can show proof of Max being welcomed to this year's Bahrain GP by Sheikh Salman Bin Hamad Al-Khalifa then you have no evidence to back up your weak argument.

We're going round in circles.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

By that deliberately selective and narrow set of conditions there has, as yet, been no damage done, or any effect felt. It's as if I were to say that unless you can show proof of Max being welcomed to this year's Bahrain GP by Sheikh Salman Bin Hamad Al-Khalifa then you have no evidence to back up your weak argument.

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I'm sorry, but there is no comparison.

Not being invited to attend a Grand Prix is not as important as a Grand Prix being cancelled or a sponsor withdrawing.

Therefore, your argument is immeasurably weaker than mine.

Please feel free to go round in circles and to quote the third best song-writer in a band...but come back when your argument has some less rotational direction.

Actually, make that any direction.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

There . You see how this made you feel ?
I told you that you didn't like your dirty laundry out , and you responded with outing more of it yourself .
That's not very unlike what Max did .

For Max , no response would have had him seen as accepting the characterization , in the eyes of the world , that he is all the things that are brought to mind when the word Nazi is uttered .
Unsurprisingly , he found that untenable .

For you , the thought that I would liken this to Max's situation , saying you didn't want the laundry on the line , prompted a response that countered the accusation you were a name-caller .
Again , unsurprising .

It's what humans do .


Shame you also feel it necessary to call me insecure and insinuate I am not a man in your #3 .
I wonder how the mods feel about the report post button carrying such stigma .

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WTF are you on about?

You made reference to a PM in your post, I merely posted it, so others can get a fair representation of what you referred to.

Where is all the name calling BS coming from. I posted about a PhD student, and made a witty comment about students as made by a S Coogan character.

You've put 3 and 5 together and got 76.2. :down:

NB as a moot point, I alleged (using the word apparently) you were insecure rather stated, as you erroneously wrote.