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26th January 2017, 15:35
AL14

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Originally Posted by Grundo Farb

Tanak talked in one of his end of stage talks about "the garbage I had last year".

When did he say that? Are you sure he was referring to DMACK?
If true it would be very unrespectful. I hope he is not that kind of guy.
26th January 2017, 15:50
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL14

When did he say that? Are you sure he was referring to DMACK?
If true it would be very unrespectful. I hope he is not that kind of guy.

i am almost sure that I heard it too at one of his interviews,sounded very strange to me too,but forgot to discuss it here.
26th January 2017, 16:11
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL14

When did he say that? Are you sure he was referring to DMACK?
If true it would be very unrespectful. I hope he is not that kind of guy.

Yes, he said that. Me too presume it was about the tyres.
26th January 2017, 16:14
Tarmop

Well, if the comment was about RMC 2016, then it`s quite obvious to everyone and i don`t think that it`s disrespectful. They all know, that they didn`t have the correct tyre for asphalt and Monte, it was Tänak`s (and also DMacks) job to improve the tyre ans as we can see, it was much better this year.
26th January 2017, 16:30
eib1

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Originally Posted by bluuford

I was just wondering that how much more downforce and traction new aerodynamics give. What was the speed by Sordo on the last corner and Tänak? Can anyone chech from WRC+? And then someone needs to calculate the downforce :P I remember that Ott was saying that new cars offer a possibility to make big caps if you are brave. So, basically, the faster you drive, the higher is downforce.

Sordo ~75 km/h
Ogier ~85 km/h
Tänak ~100+
26th January 2017, 16:40
dimviii

watch Evans and Barritt small clip at stage end after an astonishing drive
https://twitter.com/MSportLtd
26th January 2017, 16:55
EstWRC

Where did Tänak say it? I missed it too. Stage end or an interview?
26th January 2017, 17:05
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by GravelBen

If you're blaming the slow times on the tyres performing worse than the competition then to be consistent you should credit his fast times with the tyres performing better than the competition. Otherwise its like trying to pull a heads-I-win/tails-you-lose coin toss, doesn't convince many people over the age of 5.

The reality is probably a combination of both tyres and driving, he's often been inconsistent in his speed in the past (sometimes blindingly fast, sometimes head-scratchingly slow) without really seeming to know why.

Why only quote half of my post ? Maybe because the second part of it (including Tanak 2016 & Autosport quote) explained my argument...
26th January 2017, 17:08
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

Where did Tänak say it? I missed it too. Stage end or an interview?

if I remember correct at stage end
26th January 2017, 17:10
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

if I remember correct at stage end

Must have been on Saturday then because I couldn't listen to radio then. Interestingly nothing about it in Estonian forum .
26th January 2017, 17:46
seb_sh

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Originally Posted by Munkvy

How can you use statistics to take into account the context behind the stage times though? Ie that everyone who was on Rally2 would be under instruction to finish the rest of the rally at all costs, so naturally their pace is going to be off when they Rally2 (see Juho and Kris as good examples)... And what about the difference in tyre choice vs the correct tyre choice? I don't think you can use data unless you add in the variables that impact the validity of the data...

I'm the first to say those statistics are not a complete picture; it's a tool that can add more info. How you interpret and combine that info with context is up to you.

For example: Latvala vs Meeke comparison of just pace is misleading but combining the difference with the knowledge Meeke was cruising can indicate that Meeke would have probably been faster.

So I'm not trying to make a system that can take into account many things and give some answers; It would be too complicated with weather, tyre choice, road order, how much a driver is attacking etc. but I did find it helpful in two ways:
1. Knowing some elements of context you can get some numbers that you can compare and get a better idea. For example in case of a different tyre choice you can compare two driver when they had same choice and different choice and see how much the choice was worth.
2. When the data is layed out in a table and you make a color coded scale you can sometimes spot "anomalies" that can lead you to investigate what happened there. For example you could notice a driver having different performance between days so you can then investigate, was it tyre choice, setup, road order...

Anyway don't want to make huge thing out of this, just a mini project I did for fun. :)
26th January 2017, 17:54
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

Must have been on Saturday then because I couldn't listen to radio then. Interestingly nothing about it in Estonian forum .

No, it wasn't stage end comment, I think it was an short interview of Day1 highlights on RedBull TV.
26th January 2017, 18:01
car

I heard it too... he was clearly referencing the tyres in comparison to what he has available this year.
26th January 2017, 18:03
Allyc85

My video from an epic trip to the Rallye Monte Carlo!

https://youtu.be/kyJnel6jcSc
26th January 2017, 18:04
nafpaktos

https://www.facebook.com/raceschanne...6/?pnref=story

can someone tell me whtat seb says at 0.30????????????
26th January 2017, 18:37
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by car

I heard it too... he was clearly referencing the tyres in comparison to what he has available this year.

What he said then? The tires are shit compared to michelins?

I'll try to find it :) it doessnt sound like him
26th January 2017, 19:09
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

What he said then? The tires are shit compared to michelins?

I'll try to find it :) it doessnt sound like him

Here it is @ 19:30 - https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84G...y-championship
26th January 2017, 19:21
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

Here it is @ 19:30 - https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84G...y-championship

nota proper way for somebody who offered you a wrc drive when Malcolm threw you away.
26th January 2017, 19:25
Tarmop

Welll....
1. He was talking about RMC 2016 vs RMC 2017, not the whole season.
1. He is not a native English speaker. (I`m also not)
2. He didn`t mention the tires, who knows what he ACTUALLY wanted to say. (Point 2)
3.Still i think no one was offended, that undeveloped tyre was faaaaar behind Michelin.

A few days back Latvala had the same "language-barrier" and the media translated it differently.
26th January 2017, 19:27
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

nota proper way for somebody who offered you a wrc drive when Malcolm through you away.

Totally agree, very disrespectful.
26th January 2017, 19:28
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarmop

2. He didn`t mention the tires, who knows what he ACTUALLY wanted to say. (Point 1)

If it wasn't the tyres the other option is the WRC cars themselves, even worse.
26th January 2017, 19:30
cali

Oh c'mon, I just watched the interwiev again. He basically says that the new car is a big step forward from last year's car. That's what he meant and that's what he said, if someone can come up with some other conclusion about this interview is quite delusional.
26th January 2017, 19:30
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

Here it is @ 19:30 - https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84G...y-championship

When does he say anything about the tyres? He's comparing the 16' car to the 17' car performance wise
26th January 2017, 19:31
cali

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

When does he say anything about the tyres? He's comparing the 16' car to the 17' car performance wise

Exactly, where do the folks come up with such stuff?
26th January 2017, 19:33
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

When does he say anything about the tyres? He's comparing the 16' car to the 17' car performance wise

In the same direction, he didn't said it is the car either, we can only guess. Since he mentioned only last year, not 2015....2012, the logical outcome is - tyres.
26th January 2017, 19:35
cali

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

In the same direction, he didn't said it is the car either, we can only guess.

Do you need a translation? Wheres N.O.T. when we need him... :D

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26th January 2017, 19:37
stefanvv

No I don't thank You.
26th January 2017, 19:38
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

In the same direction, he didn't said it is the car either, we can only guess. Since he mentioned only last year, not 2015....2012, the logical outcome is - tyres.

"The car is working quite nice, I'm quite enjoying, for me it's a big step from the car we had last year"
26th January 2017, 19:41
Tarmop

Maybe he ment his performance? Once again, he`s not a native speaker and if you are in a rush, in the middle of the rally, you have a journalist asking questions, who wants quick answers, then it`s quite possible that you sentence formulation isn`t very good.
26th January 2017, 19:43
cali

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarmop

Maybe he ment his performance? Once again, he`s not a native speaker and if you are in a rush, in the middle of the rally, you have a journalist asking questions, who wants quick answers, then it`s quite possible that you sentence formulation isn`t very good.

It's quite clear what he meant (read SubaruNorway's post again).

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26th January 2017, 19:45
dimviii

guys are you kidding? the word garbage what was for?

Meeke crash from another angle
https://youtu.be/S0jDxluRdco
26th January 2017, 19:47
Tarmop

Welll, yeah, can`t agree or disagree. What ever, let it be.
26th January 2017, 19:48
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

"The car is working quite nice, I'm quite enjoying, for me it's a big step from the car we had last year"

So You believe he is calling the previous generation of WRC cars "garbage". Nice, very nice.
26th January 2017, 19:50
cali

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

guys are you kidding? the word garbage what was for?

Meeke crash from another angle
https://youtu.be/S0jDxluRdco

Are you talking about the same interview @ 19:30?
https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84G...y-championship

My ears cannot hear word "garbage" in this interview. Maybe it's just me, but some folks need to come up with some fuss to keep themselves entertained.
26th January 2017, 19:52
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali

Are you talking about the same interview @ 19:30?
https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84G...y-championship

My ears cannot hear word "garbage" in this interview. Maybe it's just me, but some folks need to come up with some fuss to keep themselves entertained.

What word do You hear? "Car badge"? This is getting better and better.
26th January 2017, 19:54
Tarmop

Haaah, Yes:D:D very similar to "garbage", but when you listen to it with headphones, it`s just the accent/pronounciation and the actual sentence is" a big step from the CAR WHICH we had last year"
26th January 2017, 19:54
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali

Are you talking about the same interview @ 19:30?
https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84G...y-championship

My ears cannot hear word "garbage" in this interview. Maybe it's just me, but some folks need to come up with some fuss to keep themselves entertained.

''for me its a big step from the garbage we had last year''
26th January 2017, 19:55
cali

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

What word do You hear? "Car badge"? This is getting better and better.

From the car WHICH we had last year. What is wrong with you????

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26th January 2017, 19:57
cali

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

''for me its a big step from the garbage we had last year''

Dim, you are one of the best and aknowledgeable posters here and my all respect goes to you but... Are you serious??

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26th January 2017, 20:00
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali

Dim, you are one of the best and aknowledgeable posters here and my all respect goes to you but... Are you serious??

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I played some decades of times,and maybe he didn't said ''garbage'' but ''car which we had last year''
I was wrong guys,sorry.

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