In some way Hyundai did something like that last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
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In some way Hyundai did something like that last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Didn't Hyundai do it this year bringing Hayden Paddon up in Sordo's place when he was injured? Or do you mean actually basing team strategy around substituting surface/local specialists on certain events?Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
No, this year in Sweden it was down to circumstances. Last year they rotated mainly between Sordo and Hanninen. Atkinson also got some rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
And yes, with surfaces etc. in mind. Hanninen in Sweden and Wales for example, Sordo on tarmac.
But needed pre nomination. It is different have f.e. Ogier - Latvala - Mikkelsen, and if Ogier out, Latvala wins and Mikkelsen second scores 1-2 for Volkswagen Motorsport, instead only Latvala points.
http://www.maxrally.com/2015/07/23/i...a-china-crisis are they serious???? kicking out Wales Rally GB for China?????????? what's wrong with them???
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Originally Posted by Eli
Seems to me like Rally France (in whatever format) is the most at risk of the four. Wales GB has funding in place going forward. It's the complete opposite with the FFSA.
With Toyota coming in it could be a good time to open discussions with the manufacturers about an extension to 14 rounds. Plus this is all assuming China can even get their round ready for 2016.
I would agree about France. Though there is the origin of the sport, it is quite disappointing as WRC round, especially ran in Alsace recent years. I don't know how Corsica will happen this year, but I don't feed high hopes. Vote up for more rounds though, China or Japan, may be I prefer Japan.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
At this stage I don't even care any more. For me the WRC is like F1 - I like the concept of it, but there is just too much about it that is done poorly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
I'm not interested in the type of cars that are used, the technical side of the current WRC cars, the rallies that have been lost to shit ones like Sardinia etc. the fact that the drivers don't give you the same sense from between 1990 until about 2003 that you were watching the best drivers in the world (think Auriol, Kankkunen, Gronholm Makinen, Sainz, young McRae, Burns, young Solberg), the poor TV coverage - endless chopper views and frustrating onboard views. This insistence that the WRC needs to be about the miserable cars and markets where the manufacturers sell them instead of brilliant cars tearing through forests and alpine passes while making un-godly noises.
They could replace Monte Carlo, GB and Finland with China, Jordan and Antarctica. They could reduce the minimum length of the cars even further so that the cars used are the VW Up, Ford Ka, Citroen C1 and Toyota Aygo. They could implement all those insane ideas Jost Capito scribbled on his toilet paper. I wouldn't care because they're just shooting a dead horse at this point.
It's not that much for a despair, we still could have nice photos with lakes and/or flowers, ahahah..... well, not from Jordan anyway.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
I like actual format and new regilations. I just prefer to have more variety for each rally. If there are not 5 world Champions running the same year is not promoter's fault. With WRC+ coverage is excellent and with new regulations there will be more different, bigger and faster cars. And yes, China should be in the Championship, it has always been a business for manufacturers, in China there are billions of people and some of them are becoming rich opening new markets. Of course it would be a shame if Wales will lose its round let's hope it won't happen but one should lose it. We have to move on, 90s are 20 years ago. The world is completely different now. The only same thing is that rally is not even comparable with f1
Going to China may be a bit tricky though in terms of following the event live as we do now!
Remember that the majority of live coverage at the moment, apart from WRC+, goes through Twitter, facebook, YouTube. All of these are banned in China (they have their own version of these)!! How will the teams communicate the results in real time? Just wait until Monday? Or use illegal VPN to bypass the banned websites?
It will be like an event back in the early 2000 with just live radio (that also rely heavily on twitter for info source now) and live results pages (if and when they work...) You know what it means to rely on wrc.com and TV coverage for information of what happened in the rally... we will miss 99% of what was going on.
Another thing that comes to mind. An onboard video with Kopecky, 2 years ago, from the Chinese APRC round. During a 14min stage I counted less than 20 spectators...
You are right in most cases like race live message.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
But It will not a problem if no one come to the stage watching the race. VW/Hyundai/Citroen will give them all on PR of marketing side, like TV advertisement, Chinese SNS.
In China most people do not care about live sport(include F1/tennis), the most effective way is social network and advertisement.
In another way, APRC and the other Chinese local race was not promote at same level as other races.
It is clear China race may not be a good WRC race round, but definitely it will be a huge promotion event for the manufactures, FIA and car makers love to see it.
We will have this round. Manufacturers and FIA want it. As for twitter and social media, there is no problem actually. They can easily communicate their message to people in Europe and then it will be twitted. The only issue is that it will happen 2/3 minutes later than usual. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by shaitan
Sometimes fans complain too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
For several manufactures China market is the only way to survive.
F1 has race in China, no problems with live coverage or social media...Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
And yet here you are, taking time out of your day to make very specific and informed comments on a WRC forum about a Championship you supposedly don't care about...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
I fully expect China to be included. F1 and WEC go there and there were no issues with social media, etc
Which event gets dropped I have no idea. Would they drop Corsica? Yes, they’ve done it before. The FFSA even held their WRC round in Alsace.
RallyGB – possibly, but talk of it being a ‘classic’ is wrong. It was a ‘classic’ when it was the RAC, now it’s just another identikit WRC event – like the rest of them. We get told the UK is an important market but 99% of the population will be unaware when RallyGB is on. It receives very little mainstream coverage.
Rallye Deutschland – I can’t believe they’d drop it. The most important car market in Europe?
Exactly, that's cognitive dissonance for you. I don't care about the WRC and if it gets worse, yet I spent the best part of 15 minutes writing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Perfect situation would be if China was added to the calendar. WRC needs to be more around the world than 3 rallies outside Europe. I would even add 15th round and it should be antoher tarmac rally (Ireland, Czech Republic or Japan maybe). But if FIA would have to replace round it should be one of bland gravel rallies, I think Sardegna or Portugal. Maybe Poland, but I really like how it is the only rally where we see who is fast and who is not. Poland kind of gave as an hierarchy of current drivers, so one rougn like this should be in calendar.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Poland OUT! PLEASE
and China IN!
worst suggestion ever. Mexico or Argentina out.
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Originally Posted by EstWRC
And still end up with only 3 events outside of Europe? Won't happen I think.
France can go, they already have the Monte.
Neither Argentina nor Mexico could go as they 'tick the box' for two continents - North and South America. I think to be classified as a world championship you need to hit 4 continents?Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
It pretty clear that when China is in then Corsica will be thrown out, Only question is when? next year or year after that?. Half of the France is in bankrupcy and it is not practical to held two rounds in one country which economy struggles and carsales numbers are not very good and one more event on the island. Corsica is no longer what it used to be, so I do not see any major loss here, I do not see much "classic" left there either.
Why not 14 event (with China) calendar?! Anyway sport is boring at the moment with/without China unfortunatelly...
If there are rallys in Italy and Portugal, where economy is even worse, France can host his own. They have Monte but they have also won the last 12 championship. I think France deserves his round more than others (and I'm not french).
Poland will stay there, or will be replaced by some other east Europe State like Estonia, not China.
Mexico should go in my opinion, there are always too less cars and it is not that spectacular. But it's the only north american round so he will probably stay.
BTW, the decisions are taken with money and with friendships. We have to find who is the more poor and less loved rally.
Hummm... I got the strangest feelling that I've seen this movie in 2001! In the end, the poor Rally Portugal will be out so a sup€r China can enter. Altought if their WRC Rally will be so good as the one that was in IRC...cof cof... God help us :S
What's your problem with Rally Poland? Yes, the organisation has a lot of work to do regarding safety and organisation... But the stages are great! The people are interested in the sport, they are travelling big distances inside the country to see the event. And in all national news during the event it's one of the main subjects in the national media (probably partly because of the Kubica-effect, but still). In Poland the WRC has a reason to be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Why have an event in a country where almost NOBODY cares about rallying, which is too far away for anyone else to visit, and which is too expensive to drive for privateers? Just because some high-ranked people who happen to work for the manufacturers want it, as it fits the theory they want to sell to the big bosses?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
I like to visit events where you feel that rallying is alive, where people look forward to it all year long. In Sweden, Finland, Monte Carlo, Poland, but also in Sardinia last few years, the WRC event is the big thing. The market may be smaller but the impact you have on it is many times bigger. No point of having China on the calendar if nobody goes to watch it and if no local media spreads out much more about it than about a WRC round on the other side of the globe...
Circuit of Ireland should be in wrc !!!
There are no "But's" when it comes to safety. I dont care how many fans there are in Poland. The organization is appaling and sooner or later something bad is going to happen which will only have a negative impact on the sport.
If you want good roads and good organisation then Rally Estonia should swap with Poland.
China is interesting but i would put Japan instead.
Maybe we should push the sport in the States. Its a big country that we are not using at all to promote the sport.
I'd keep Poland in, but return the event to Tarmac; to try and have more of a 50:50 split between surfaces. However, what happens when Kubica leaves the WRC?? Will there still be the passion for it??Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
FIA doesn't care about safety or accidents with spectators that much. Proof is there with the regulations for future WRC cars... Cars will become much faster, crowds will grow, and safety measures will remain the same until something happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by eestlane
If Rally Poland would be organized with good marshalls in stead of using clueless teenagers, 80% of the dangerous situations would have been avoided. I agree that it's difficult to find enough reliable people to fill the whole stages, but for some critical places they should have seen it coming...
All in all Poland and Estonia are too similar to Finland in my opinion. I like the idea of AndyRAC, having a tarmac rally (or mixed) could put a unique event on the calendar. The profile of tarmac roads in Polish rallies is completely different compared to the ones currently in WRC (in ERC only Barum Rally is somewhat similar).
The ideal scenario for a healthy championship is to combine a calendar of classic events with rallies in key/emerging markets.
The biggest problem for me is that the format of the rallies makes them effectively interchangeable anyway. The rally will still pan out the same way, regardless of where you place it.
I'd rather see less rounds but fully formed rallies that are encouraged to be unique and to actually provide a challenge. Not just force them into a watered-down, identikit format. But honestly beyond the fans and a few journalists there doesn't really seem to be desire from any other corner to make that happen.
Andy, Rajd Polski (Rally Poland) is second oldest rally in the world after Monte Carlo. Rallying is definitely a lot more popular in Poland than in some WRC countries like Germany for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
All this talk about the manufacturers requesting a WRC round in China to have increased media coverage and eventually better sales in this apparently booming market made me wonder: How important is it for an event to take place in a specific country to boost sales in this country?
After all, it's just a three day event, occurring once per year, whereas the whole championship season goes on for about 11 months. I would have thought that overall media coverage over the year, resulting in repeated exposure to the viewer/reader, might be more important, and less in which country the most recent round was held. Obviously, we don't have (recent) information on that for China, but are there any studies for other countries? Or as a proxy, since that seems to be important at least for Citroën, about the impact of the WTCC round in China on Chinese coverage and sales in comparison to other WTCC rounds?
In my opinion WRC will hardly be popular in China without Chinese manufacturer and at best Chinese crew involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZoomanSP206
Yes, I know; I meant, will the sponsors still want to back a WRC round without Kubica there? He seems to have helped sponsors throw their weight/ money behind the event getting back into the WRC. Notwithstanding the 2009 event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Unfortunately I have seen this film already. They introduce a round in China, and after a couple of years both the promoters and teams will be dissapointed with visibility and organization, like Japan.
Then the same old european rounds will fight for there only spot back in.