Yes. Didn´t see it coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
But I think AnttiL contributes a lot here. It would be nice if he stays.
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Yes. Didn´t see it coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
But I think AnttiL contributes a lot here. It would be nice if he stays.
Well he is a grown man and it’s his choice. People come and goQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Finnish people are the happiest in the world as we know so maybe this is the way how they do it. Just ignore “miserable” places :D
Is there any particular beef or arguements for AnttiL's decision?
But I agree with EstWRC we're all grown people here and free to make our decisions.
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someone must inform finnish people as well about this fact... they seem to miss it...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpub...tatistics2019/
its the sport that is miserable in its current state... this place did not change... i annoyed autistic people 20 years ago as much i do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think its a case of "this is the worst rally" comments every single event, add constant whinging about tyre saving/powerstage/rules/FIA decisions/... And not to upset the Estonian/Tänak-army, but most comments in forum seem to be about how miserable his season is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Compared to when i forst came here, almost 20 years ago, the discussion climate, and in that, to answer questions from freshmen to the sport is very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I have no problem to be put in my place by veterans in here, but when youngsters at the same age as my kids tell all in here that they all have it wrong, and in a tone that are "keyboard trollers" worthy, it is a limit for when a discussion forum goes from being a good place to spend time, and give energy to something that suck enegy.
The activity in reflects that. Som of the ones that have access to forum dashboard and can take out statistics will be able to verify I guess.
maybe it is time to give out yellow and red cards, so admin and mods will use power on people that can not behave!
Is touring car series still use handycap weight addition to Championship top drivers. That idea in WRC? Some steel plates max 40kg at 50/50 balance point low underneath the car. Shoot me.
Exactly this, it is pointless to call idiots out for being idiots, as they never realise they are idiots and think they are never wrong. And some comments above are, quite frankly, pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Agree with first part of post. Disagree with 2nd part, couldn’t give a fvck.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
It was extremely busy, and lively about 20 years ago. Lots of healthy discussion. It helped that the WRC was in a really good place (though that wouldn't last). Other forums like Pistonheads, Autosport have rally threads and they're quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
To be honest, the issues are symptomatic of modern life; I've noticed it on other forums where newcomers immediately think they can 'rubbish' long time forum users, and show absolutely no respect at all.
Sorry, but the latter please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontcut
But no matter how bad and slow this forum will get, pls do not try to swap to facebook or any other of the things we call social media that the youngsters use. We had a pretty lively rally forum in Norway, that was restarted on facebook, and very soon went into hibernation.
It is not harder than to respect other people opinions, and run a clean debate. It is all good to challenge meanings and minds, but treat others the same way you would like to be treated, and can look back on in a few years and still be ok with!
In theory it's all easy - there are facts and there are opinions. Problems start when people start mixing them and opinions are also more like a religion - just blind believing and the result is - religious war.
We can be precise with facts, we can have opinions with understanding and respecting, that opinion is like ass, everyone has their own.
The FIA publishes list of homologated parts, right? I mean, when teams use joker we could know whether they've changed something with the motor, chassis etc. It's all vaguely written, of course. I can't seem to find such documents about 2023 but perhaps somebody here knows where to look at?
In my experience it is quite difficult to find current documents.Quote:
Originally Posted by sinepikohv
+10Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Last year after sardegna vs this year
2022 / 2023
Rovanperä 120 / 118
Neuville 65 / 93
Tänak 62 / 85
Katsuta 47
Evans 39 / 83
The trend of forums dying out is also part of it. Younger folks don't tend to go to forums to talk about things. They use Reddit, discord, social media and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
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Goes to show how much he dominated last season, when we allready see him as the nailed on title favorite despite the much more "even" points distribution this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Guys.. I dont actually know how old are you, but Im 16 and Im using social media like Discord, Instagram, etc.. So for my generation is "forum" quite old. But I totally respect and I really like this forum. In my opinion, this website is so much better than Facebook for example. I appreciate the community here and there is all you need for chating :)
Welcome! I'm 30 yrs older than you, i have a son at your age, good to see young people enjoy this sport!Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
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I'm also on the younger side (but not nearly as young as you) and only joined the forum fairly recently and only started really writing last years Monte but I've been reading it for years and also dug up plenty of old threads to read long before I joined. I have to agree, it doesn't compare to anything else. Sure sometimes people are fanboys, misreable, just a**holes or acting a bit stupid, but the knowledge is still here, as is the enthusiasm and one gets the news quicker than anywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
All in all there is still a lot this forum has to offer.
I will do an interview with the P1 Fuels guy, who is working in WRC refueling zones. If you have some interesting points to ask, just let me know.
I too am on the younger side, I guess. I'm 28. I also really like the forum and it's inevitable that there are some pricks or sometimes discussions get too heated. Nevertheless I feel like this is a place where one can speak his/her mind and converse about rally. In my home country (Estonia) there's a Facebook group/forum with over 20k members but truth be told it's an ugly place for a diehard rally fan. There Neuville is always a whiner, Finns always hate Estonians etc. gibberish that just doesn't give any value to anyone. Reasonable posts or arguments are usually on the background as most just vent their emotions there.
So even though a classical forum type page might not be the most popular, most of the people who are where love rally and love talking about it. As I said before mishaps still happen yet they're not too frequent, I think.
I like it here.
By the way, AnttiL has set up an Discord server few weeks ago, where we can chat rally (and non-rally) 24/7 :) https://discord.gg/YrK7X9FP
I see this chat format (though I would prefer IRC, but that is too 90's) ideal for casual talk or even commenting during the event (forum format seems a bit inappropriate for that).
@skarderud , I hope that your son is a rally fan too! Im actually really young, but I'm big fan of rallying since 2017 :D In my city, I know here maybe 5 teenagers who are interested in rally too! It's always really nice to meet someone with same hobby :)
Maybe that´s why he has left this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoN_cz
I´d say it´s not so wise.
I agree per. I am a member on a few forums and a lot of them are dying on their arse. This forum is slowing down a little bit it’s still active. Another forum I frequent is still popular and active, but there was a certain group that seemed to think their opinions were the b all and end all and ended up leaving the forum and starting their own. Needless to say that new forum is not very active, or nowhere near as active as the former.
I like this forum. I like difference of opinion and healthy debate. Sometimes I have my own opinion and read other peoples opinion and it helps me see things from a different perspective, change my view even.
I don’t even mind NOT. Even though he has very much of a low opinion of my nationality, the last time he brought that up was immediately followed by our national news coverage with people losing their shit because our prime minister was seen in the back of a car without a seatbelt on, first world problems and all that! So I couldn’t really argue with NOT on that one ��
Maybe I am getting old but I do not really understand how to use this discord thing.
AFAIK, this forum right here is the only active international rally forum in the world.
The forum format does have an advantage for writing longer ideas. I think this is the most interesting place to talk about rally on the internet. I remember in the old days there used to be a lot of very interesting people posting. Pentti for example or remember when we had the best weather guy in the WRC doing weather forecast for us here? that was cool :) And others...
About assholes and such i guess it's up to the majority to decide what is acceptable but I know for a fact a couple people stopped coming here because let's say they didn't like the "atmosphere" or didn't want to be associated with certain types of discussion.
I don't come here often now, it's so much more enjoyable to pop in occasionally and lurk for some alpha information or news, will post this as it's meta.
I don't think it's a great 'discussion forum' at all, for there's not much tolerance for alternative opinions. Those with the time and tendency to post mostly have negative energy and those with positive energy don't have the time or tendency to post, or they have their energy zapped. I can see why Antti might feel zapped, I saw even after he simply says he's taking a break due to the negativity, negativity instantly continued to shoot him.
Sulland said as much, but I disagree that aged accounts should somehow know everything. Times change and the world goes with it and certainly this sport has, and I don't think all aged accounts realise this and can be stuck with invalid points. You try and 'discuss' things you can be ignored, taken for a troll, or shot down with negativity. Actually, I was told to shut up for posting a factual point precisely about how WRC had changed over time, and so I've shut up and not looked back since. Even if jovial tone was/is intended it doesn't carry through the internet, it just spreads as assholery. Think I was both these at times, think I was driven to it for I didn't initially sign up to be a jerk.
@CeskyOndra thanks, he is. But my daughter even more, she also codrives sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
If you show your friends the best YouTube clips of rally, i bet some more will be interrested.:)
Good you found this sport!
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Yes, its easy to be not that nice too members, or trolls, that is not that nice.
But i'm fed up with all the "besserwissers" or even worse, DH's that try to ruin the good places, indended or not.
The best norwegian forum was ruined by a couple of people that hided behind a nickname noone knows who was.
If you are angry at someone, a public forum working well is not the right place to take it out.
Take a walk in the forest and cry like a man instead:)
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When I found it, maybe around 2008 or smth, it was from Marcus Grönholms website. In his links thread he recommended Motorsportforums. I fell in live immediately...Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
Well, those who are hypersensitive may have problems if they can´t see other people have different views. Shouldn´t be like that, bcs everyone contributes. Leaving on those grounds is kind of selfish...?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Yeah, same here because it is the only place in the internet I can communicate with other enthusiasts about my passion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
But to be honest, we deserve something better. Forum software is outdated and there is no big moderating team. This is why we have all these spammers destroying threads with ads for drugs.
I know that this costs money but we all enthusiasts must do something. e-wrc.com is an example of passionate people doing something great. Why cannot we do the same with a forum? In the end of the day, rally is our passion and this passion makes our lives better. We won’t live forever and we deserve a nice modern place to discuss.
Go Cyril! Really like the guy so far, isn’t afraid of saying things out
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...view/10479591/
Good to have this kind of people in charge!Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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Yeah Cyril is a plus for Hyundai as well as the WRC itself. Let's see what they come up with!