This is only a 'benefit' after losing an €800,000 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
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This is only a 'benefit' after losing an €800,000 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
The other issue however is that they will only be able to use their newly-built car for 1 more season (2021) and then it will be obsolete.
No. But we´re talking loss of the car, in the first place. My comment was on that and what you and Fast Eddie quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
It's not like M-Sport wouldn't have a car for Lappi in the headquarters even if there was a WRC event this weekend. It's just a huge financial loss.
How many spare €800,000 top-spec WRC cars do they have knocking about for 'just in case they're needed' ?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
At least one in Europe. And a new one could possibly be built in a week? Am I right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars/69...fiesta-wrc-17/Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I counted atleast 3 extra ones ...
I think you can build one in a week if you have the chassis prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I can't remember where I read it, but I remember someone saying that the huge time is in the preparation of the bodyshell.
Yeah, there's a bunch of them that have been in use lately. But still, some of them could be stripped from the essential parts for the moment so it would still take some money and effort to get it running again.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
i dont think that a loss of a wrc,is a ''huge financial loss'' for a company such M sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Team Principal Rich Millener confessed it was too early to tell what had caused the fire but said the impact of losing a World Rally Car would be deeply felt by M-Sport.
“Well we don’t really know much to be honest, we’re still in a bit of shock to be fair,” Millener said. “Losing a car is never nice to see for any team but that’s going to ask some serious questions of us for the remainder of the year.”
“It’s no secret that this loss will really have a big impact on M-Sport – and we don’t know when the championship will resume which makes the situation really difficult right now. But despite all of this and all of the repercussions, the most important thing is that everyone is safe and unharmed.” Millener added.
yes m sport is a small garage, that with a loss of a inhouse build car, will drive to cancel their wrc program.
really laughable
To be fair, Millener may have been talking with the wider circumstances in which this happened in mind. Losing an €800,000 car is one thing, losing an €800,000 car just ahead of losing a large part of your business' income (service and sales) for the foreseeable future is another.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Yeah, this.....Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
yeap thats the problem,not the lost wrc car.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
for how much do they sell those fiestas,
if they actually cost them 800k to build, they would have to sell them for over a million.
It must be some internal parts possible to be reused in that car, isn´t it? I was thinking of engine, gearbox inner parts.
Or was it a total waste of that car? Anyone?
Back in the day when a Toyota Corolla WRC burned completely, there was nothing else that remained visibly intact except the titanium parts (damper topmounts, propshaft etc.) but to my knowledge today titanium is mostly bannedQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
nothing to reuse
Even after a big crash a lot of parts can be salvaged, or the car can be re-shelled. But with a fire, its a total loss.
And if M-Sport do have another WRC car they can use for Lappi, thats still one less car theyll have available to sell, hire-out or use for testing...
I´m stubborn... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Not even crankshaft? :) :)
Of course the future is a big problem too, but here Millener was talking straight after the loss of the Lappi WRC car and was referring directly to the effect that would have.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Obviously they have a tight budget and when you have big loss like that, it must be off something, like testing and development work.
Well, first you have to get it out of a big lump of melted aluminium that used to be the block & crankcase. Then you have to machine off any melted aluminium that is stuck to it. Then you don't know what temperature it got to & for how long so you have to heat treat it all over again. Finally you have to find some sucker to sell it to becaue after all of that you wouldn't want it in a works car :) :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Sounds reasonable. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
I guess not being able to figure out what caused the fire is another concern for the team at the moment. It sounds like they're unsure if it might happen again or not.
We are talking about an in-house replacement and this for sure, for the manuf., doesn`t cost the pricetag of a "dealership". In normal circumstances, probably a weekend of M-Sport cars rallying/racing all over the world would compensate it, but the problem is, that there aren`t many, if any doing that at the moment, nor are many, if any people interested in buying them in the near future. But they have wages to pay, a complex to run and cars to develop etc.
And when we look at the bigger picture, people aren`t buying much of anything these days, except food and what else is absolutely necessary.
https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m...be-discovered/Quote:
Originally Posted by Berke
correctly guessed.
TiTanak Remembered - what a team ! :cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcng...ature=youtu.be
i wonder if they could reuse the chassis? i would think it's unlikely, but since nothing else was damaged before the fire perhaps?
The chassis is for the scrapyard for sure. Due to the heat the properties of the steel have likely changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
M-Sport focus on 2022 car during pandemic:
https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/r...us-on-2022-car
You are spot on there , the main focus is always to find out why these events have occurred, but it looks like they are in the dark which is very worrying for all concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berke
You just have to think back to the Polo R5 fire problems and how many cars were lost until a solution was found.
I dont think they'll spend too long worrying about the fire - it could easily be a one-off. The '17 spec Fiesta WRC has been fine for over three years until this...
Gus Greensmith backstory podcast:
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/season-2...us-greensmith/
Lappi interview incl comparing the 3 different WRCars he's driven:
https://youtu.be/sknDjsKeHE4
M-Sport progressing well with the new car.
Hopefully it’s based on an SUV.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...n-new-2022-car
In your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16