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28th November 2011, 20:14
ioan

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Why is it difficult? And just because it's difficult we souldn't try? Or should we just protest with no plan to change anything?

I never said we should give up, just that it is very difficult and maybe protests are what is needed to make politicians responsible again.
28th November 2011, 20:15
ioan

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Ok. So what is your plan to avoid this un-happy end?

Change, a fair and enforced tax system, I think this is the 2nd time I answer this question on this very page.
28th November 2011, 20:19
ioan

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I believe in a truly free market, one where governments have the bare minimum of influence.

Someone needs to set and enforce the rules of the game, and it has to be someone elected by the many who are the base of said market. You can't let the players make the rules as the game develops, we all see what that means in the end.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

That free market will allow those with the desire to avoid poverty, bad education, and poor healthcare.

There is free market and it doesn't stop poverty, bad education and poor healthcare. Maybe this free market isn't that great after all?
28th November 2011, 20:21
ioan

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

No, chuck, you are wrong. This statement betrays your complete lack of awareness of the sort of people engaged in the Occupy protests. They are simply not affiliated to a single party in the manner of the TEA Party members.

Right, they are only affiliated to the common need for a change in better.
28th November 2011, 20:21
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by ioan

There is free market and it doesn't stop poverty, bad education and poor healthcare. Maybe this free market isn't that great after all?

And the imposition of the free market in education and healthcare does not guarantee improvement either.
28th November 2011, 20:40
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by chuck34

You can not legislate away any of those issues. Nor can any altruistc mumbo-jumbo eliminate them.

But can you explain how the economic issues we are discussing differ from other inequality issues that have been addressed by protests, sometimes violence & direct action, and ultimately legislation?
28th November 2011, 20:44
chuck34

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

No, chuck, you are wrong. This statement betrays your complete lack of awareness of the sort of people engaged in the Occupy protests. They are simply not affiliated to a single party in the manner of the TEA Party members.

And that statement betrays your complete lack of awareness of the sort of people engaged in the T.E.A. Party.
28th November 2011, 20:45
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by chuck34

And that statement betrays your complete lack of awareness of the sort of people engaged in the T.E.A. Party.

What proportion of TEA Party members are Republicans and what proportion Democrats?
28th November 2011, 20:45
chuck34

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Originally Posted by ioan

I never said we should give up, just that it is very difficult and maybe protests are what is needed to make politicians responsible again.

So these protests are asking politicians to be responsible? Then why didn't these people join the T.E.A. party? Why are they Occupying Wall Street instead of Capital Hill?
28th November 2011, 20:45
chuck34

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Originally Posted by ioan

Change, a fair and enforced tax system, I think this is the 2nd time I answer this question on this very page.

So all that you are asking for is the elimination of tax loopholes?

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