Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Not surprisingly, you didn't mention these....

Donington owners coughing up £100million to host British GP,
American looking at starting new F1 team.
Talk of US GP returning to Indy.
Middle Eastern countries wanting to host GP's.
No major manufacturers leaving F1.
More FIA members vote for Mosley to stay than to go.
Attendance & viewing figures, vital for sponsors, totally unaffected.

Compared to your list, most of which are non-issues outside the inner-workings of the FIA, that shows that interest in Formula One has not been affected by Mosley's personal-life activities.

In fact, I'd like to see your reasons why, if Mosley is such a dead duck, any of these have happened?

According to your stance, Mosley is damaging the sport.

The facts say otherwise.

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Nobody ever claimed that this scandle has destroyed F1. Merely, that it has had a negative impact with the consequenses Arrows pointed out.

Do you disagree that Arrow's points are negative or do you disagree that they happened?

If not, you have to conceed that Max's actions and his continued role as head of the FIA has had a negative impact on F1 which is damaging to the sport.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I agree it's not surprising because I was directly responding to ioan's claim that "there is no impact on F1, or any other motorsport..." A claim that is demonstrably not true.

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Then please demonstrate how motorsport has been affected.

If trying to claim that not being invited to a meeting or to attend a Grand Prix is of any significance to the overall health of Formula One is the best you can come up with, then it is laughable.

Formula One has been utterly unaffected. Nobody has left due to Mosley's personal life being exposed, no sponsors have left and no viewing figures have dropped.

Those are the FACTS! They are UNDENIABLE!

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Do you disagree that Arrow's points are negative or do you disagree that they happened?

If not, you have to conceed that Max's actions and his continued role as head of the FIA has had a negative impact on F1 which is damaging to the sport.

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And where is the damage?

E, a dominatrix who secretly filmed the sadomasochistic session at a Chelsea flat in March, was due to give evidence together with her husband.

Mr Warby told Mr Justice Eady at London's High Court: "This morning, at about ten to eight, I received information which has later been elaborated on which leads those instructing me and my clients to take the view that her emotional and mental state is such that it would not be fair or reasonable to call her to give evidence."
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news..._to_appear.php

The only other reasons I can think of that she didn't show up is that she didn't want to perjure herself.
Or the defense never really planed on calling her at all. They just throw out a heap of accusations
they say she can corroborate, and then she takes a powder! Interesting psychological warfare!
However I don’t think this judge will appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I agree it's not surprising because I was directly responding to ioan's claim that "there is no impact on F1, or any other motorsport..." A claim that is demonstrably not true.

The majority of the examples I gave relate directly to the inner workings of the FIA (i.e. the reaction of member clubs) or the effect on the FIA President's ability to do his job as normal (withdrawn invitations, cancelled meeting).

Most haven't (!!) and if they do are more likely to be down to Bernie's persuasive powers than who is (or isn't) FIA President. The one example you give that relates to the FIA was hardly a surprise given that the EGM was called by the FIA President and run on his terms.

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You have a fertile imagination!

You are very subjective in your argument!

I believe, as Tamb' pointed out,

you suffer from "selective amnesia"! :p :

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Originally Posted by tamburello

If trying to claim that not being invited to a meeting or to attend a Grand Prix is of any significance to the overall health of Formula One is the best you can come up with, then it is laughable.

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As FIA President Max Mosley personally represents the FIA in its entirety worldwide. It is therefore not laughable that he has been snubbed by royalty, politicians and multinational corporations all of whom have a considerable stake in F1.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Nobody has left...

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"With regret and incomprehension, the ADAC has learned from the decision by the General Assembly of the FIA in Paris to confirm Max Mosley in his function as president of the FIA," the ADAC said in a statement.
"For Europe's largest motoring club, this is a reason to put down all its functions and the involvement in the global organisation of motoring clubs with immediate effect and to step down from the globally active FIA working groups.
"The ADAC will stick to this attitude as long as Max Mosley will be on duty as president of the FIA.

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67958

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

1. I was responding to my own post - not yours (see post #700)
2. My PM to you titled I see the confusion was sent subsequent to my post questioning why I should apologise.
3. Shame you are apparently one of the insecure few who like to threaten the report function - be a man.
My PM to Baggy:

Honestly mate, that was not a pop at you guvn'or. I was innocently quoting a character of Steve Coogan (Alan Partridge, Saxondale etc).

The character is Paul Calf, who, after he says 'are you a student', says Bag o' e.

I will apologise that you took it the wrong way, but not for posting it, because it was not about your Forum name or you.

Subject closed PM Ends.

Someone needs to lighten up.

Don't dare make out I am having a pop at you. I don't do that.

There, hope that sets the record straight.

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There . You see how this made you feel ?
I told you that you didn't like your dirty laundry out , and you responded with outing more of it yourself .
That's not very unlike what Max did .

For Max , no response would have had him seen as accepting the characterization , in the eyes of the world , that he is all the things that are brought to mind when the word Nazi is uttered .
Unsurprisingly , he found that untenable .

For you , the thought that I would liken this to Max's situation , saying you didn't want the laundry on the line , prompted a response that countered the accusation you were a name-caller .
Again , unsurprising .

It's what humans do .


Shame you also feel it necessary to call me insecure and insinuate I am not a man in your #3 .
I wonder how the mods feel about the report post button carrying such stigma .

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Originally Posted by Tazio

The only other reasons I can think of that she didn't show up is that she didn't want to perjure herself.
Or the defense never really planed on calling her at all. They just throw out a heap of accusations
they say she can corroborate, and then she takes a powder! Interesting psychological warfare!
However I don’t think this judge will appreciate it.

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If you're going to wildly speculate about "E"'s reasons for not showing up today, one could equally wonder whether she'd been bribed or threatened. I can think of plenty more reasons why she didn't show up! :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Tazio

You have a fertile imagination!

You are very subjective in your argument!

I believe, as Tamb' pointed out,

you suffer from "selective amnesia"! :p :

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I really fail to see what point some people here are trying to make. It seems that people here are argueing with Arrows for the sake of it rather than whether Maxgate has had a negative impact on F1. Perhaps there is more of a personal agenda here than a case for arguement?

If you trully believe that Maxgate hasn't damaged F1 then so be it. No amount of posting facts to the contrary will ever sway you but it seems silly to respond to a resoned arguement with this sort of post.

I'm sure that some people here will argue the poll results on this thread demonstrate that there is widespread concensus that Max should stay.

Other European car manufacturers are considering joining the action on the Formula One grid, according to BMW Sauber boss Mario Theissen.

The German said he understands Audi, Volkswagen and Porsche are interested in the sport's current direction; like BMW's trajectory of success with a reasonable budget, and road-relevant new technologies like KERS.

Theissen also said some Asian manufacturers could follow suit.


"Already my colleagues in the road car research and development department are knocking on our door," Theissen added.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...06121528.shtml

It appears, according to the good doctor, that German makers are more
interested in F1 now than before the regrettable invasion into Max's life!
Apparently KERS trumps canes! :laugh: