another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by ioan

Not sure why it starts to look that all the pro gun ownership people posting around here are a bit infantile?

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Maybe you already have, but upon self-review, you may notice the damning hypocrisy in that stereotypical claim.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

How do you square with calling me a fascist the fact that you've called me a Communist in the past?

I hugely enjoy the fact that you expect me to be somehow offended by your comments, when in fact they are enormously hilarious.

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I'd guess that it's because, when you take communism and fascism to their right and left wing extremes, they meet in the middle. (Please note, I'm not endorsing his sentiment, just commenting on how he may have gotten there.)

There was an interesting article on the front page of the Washington Post today titled 'Fearing proposed curbs, gun enthusiasts stock up'. Included in the article was the mention that the FBI reported a record 16.8 million in background checks for guns this year. It was not mentioned how many were were for existing gun owners and how many for new owners. It can be safely assumed that a large percentage, 50% or more, were for new owners. Add this to the existing ownership of firearms and it illustrates the impossibility of any attempt to recover guns from the population.

I am on board with Jag's point that it would be MUCH more productive to attempt to identify those individuals who are at the highest risk of misusing guns and address the situation from that angle.

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Originally Posted by Starter

I'd guess that it's because, when you take communism and fascism to their right and left wing extremes, they meet in the middle. (Please note, I'm not endorsing his sentiment, just commenting on how he may have gotten there.)

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I think you're considering this in a bit too much depth, personally. My view as to how he got there is rather simpler, I must say.

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Originally Posted by Starter

There was an interesting article on the front page of the Washington Post today titled 'Fearing proposed curbs, gun enthusiasts stock up'.

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What sort of statement does this make about the mentality of those stocking up? To me, they're no different to the sort of unhinged idiots who bought in food and created bunkers in preparation for the Millennium Bug.

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Originally Posted by Starter

I am on board with Jag's point that it would be MUCH more productive to attempt to identify those individuals who are at the highest risk of misusing guns and address the situation from that angle.

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I find rather distasteful the manner in which a lot of Americans holding your views on guns have suddenly become concerned about the problem of mental illness, given that a lot of them are simultaneously against the increased provision of affordable healthcare to assist in the treatment of this.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Maybe you already have, but upon self-review, you may notice the damning hypocrisy in that stereotypical claim.

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You don't want to read my answer to your provocation so I'll keep it civilized by not making it public.

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Originally Posted by Starter

There was an interesting article on the front page of the Washington Post today titled 'Fearing proposed curbs, gun enthusiasts stock up'. Included in the article was the mention that the FBI reported a record 16.8 million in background checks for guns this year. It was not mentioned how many were were for existing gun owners and how many for new owners. It can be safely assumed that a large percentage, 50% or more, were for new owners. Add this to the existing ownership of firearms and it illustrates the impossibility of any attempt to recover guns from the population.

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I think we can very safely assume these were in 99% of the cases people who already owned weapons, most probably also illegally most of them.
Why would someone who didn't bother having a weapon until now go out and buy one? Doesn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I find rather distasteful the manner in which a lot of Americans holding your views on guns have suddenly become concerned about the problem of mental illness, given that a lot of them are simultaneously against the increased provision of affordable healthcare to assist in the treatment of this.

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Maybe they like the idea of getting free sessions with the shrink instead of having to pay for those? You never know, stranger things have happened.

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Originally Posted by ioan

You don't want to read my answer to your provocation so I'll keep it civilized by not making it public.

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Hurl away... if that's all you're capable of. Tussling with me may not give you the satisfaction that you're expecting though. :)

But as I've already said, I would much prefer to have a dialog or debate with people who are capable of much more than that. But if you make a statement about the immaturity of others and then you act in an immature fashion, well, one should expect to be called out for it.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Hurl away... if that's all you're capable of. Tussling with me may not give you the satisfaction that you're expecting though. :)

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Won't give you that satisfaction kid.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

But as I've already said, I would much prefer to have a dialog or debate with people who are capable of much more than that. But if you make a statement about the immaturity of others and then you act in an immature fashion, well, one should expect to be called out for it.

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Said mr. perfection. LOL