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Over 300 pages for a rally... is this forum record ?! :)
cant see thetail lights lighting,also gas pedal is floored from engine sound,and no antilag noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Probably few less km/h from 2017 cars
By definition he was going too fast. If he was slower he would have had more control.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Was he unlucky to be going too fast? Now that's a different question.
Got back today from an incredible time in the south of France - new cars, mixed weather and surprise performances helped create a top quality week/weekend of rallying! Delighted for M-Sport and Ogier for the win, although it was perhaps one of the more fortunate ones after Neuville threw away what would have been a well-deserved and potentially quite easy win. Top performances and speed from Evans, Tanak and Breen too, as well as Mikkelsen and a fascinating debut from Toyota who performed much better than I'd expected.
SS3/6 was a beautiful stage to visit around St Disdier, and Savournon is one of the most beautiful spots to watch rallying in the world. Save for SS16 being cancelled while we had a top viewing spot on Col St Roch, it was the perfect rally for us to spectate! Not even -14 degrees and a huge amount of awful driving from spectators on the access roads ruined it!
Anyway, for those interested here are some photos from the event - certainly think the new cars are more photogenic! https://flic.kr/s/aHskMxpn4Q
I can not understand, why people say that Monte is not a real rally, but a lottery. This is what rallying should be about, adapting to changing conditions, endurance combined with speed.
I do agree, that it is a rally, where we can not know what performance differences really are, sweden will give a better indication. But hats off to Toyota for making a car that had very little mech issues in their first rally. Latvala was good as he is when he has no pressure of winning. Sur they were lucky with position, but that is part of the sport. To finish first, first you have to finish.
Citroen disaster, hope not an indication of things ti come. The more cars are up to it, the better season we will have
For those kids who don't know the history, first rally actually happened in Monte Carlo 116 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Nitpicking here and off course it's impossible to know exactly how much difference tires made, but loosing 8 mins in 6 stages by driving (and 3 mins to an R5 car) does not qualify for "top performance" in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Monte is certainly a lottery, with so many conditions possible, and so many actions needed to allow for the changes. But it certainly is a real rally, and one unlike all of the others, which is its value.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
"Speed" is for stages 9+, "Performance" is for the whole rally. The Jury has decided he is on 6th place.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Forgot that i could just check Breen vs Lefebvre, so 0.7 sec pr/km then on ss15
Many drivers have said it is lottery, but they only mean the tyre choice (and probably influenced by the closeness of Monte Carlo's Casino). It certainly is not a lottery itself. The fastest driver wins, as in any other rally/racing in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowler
Fans reaction @13:02 is speaking itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartek
Elfyn 'Mad Welsh' Evans..Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I don't think he is mad. But can't deny he has some speed to show coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
My video rallye Wrc Monte Carlo 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6xyGr3IIfs
pleasure to share with fellas who appreciate the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Brilliant shots Ian - great having an SLR insn't it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
for all with facebook account, here are my MONTE pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Rallyepi...50003891755093
hope you like them ;)
better view of Juho's ditch https://youtu.be/ZReNdn8SOzw?t=1m1s
Fair point, he was visibly much slower on Friday and seemed to massively struggle. However on Saturday and Sunday he looked really top notch and was among the very fastest drivers. I think Sweden might be a massive struggle based on his speed on snow on the Monte, however his speed bodes well for future tarmac events this year!Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Full stage in original sequence if you want to compare whose left foot is heavier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5DgPleZRiE at 7:30 No. 101
To everyone who still doesn't understand Evans' pace during the entire rally. Welcome to the world of DMACK!
Here’s my impressions from our trip to rally Monte Carlo:
Organisation – it wasn’t bad despite Paddon’s tragic accident. Organizers were much stricter and there were many places forbidden for public that weren’t in previous years. Of course there were some bad placed people during the rally and some drunk French guys yielding to Mouton when she stopped to tell them that it’s a forbidden place. It’s not easy to control such huge crowd but I personally think that they have done a good job.
Cars – looking and sounding really nice. The 4 carmakers are very close to each other in terms of speed, maybe Hyundai has some small advantage as Neuville was very fast and confident. Nice job for Toyota, they hadn’t any major problems with their cars during the weekend.
Drivers –
1. Ogier is Ogier. Very smart driving, was fast and clean on spots that we were watching, maybe some bit of luck in a couple of situations but managed to win the rally in his first outing with Ford.
2. Latvalla – a bit surprised with his result. He was a bit over the place, did some small mistakes but let’s hope this result will be a boost for his confidence.
3. Tanak – fast and clean, problems with the car otherwise he would be 2-nd
4. Sordo – nowhere the other guys.
5. Breen – fast with the old car let’s see what he can do in the new C3 in Sweden.
6. Evans – showed some good pace with Dmack, would be interesting if he could challenge the other guys on some rallies suiting Dmack tires .
7. Neuville – very fast and obviously confident in the car, stupid small mistake cost him the win. Can be a real treat to Ogier this season.
8. Hanninen – did some very good stage times and I think he has done a good job considering he hasn’t compete for a few years now. As a main test driver for Toyota he’s feeling good in the car and he was able to set better times than Latvalla on some stages.
9. Meeke – really disappointed with him. Last year in the old DS3 he was fighting with Ogier , and this year with the brand new C3 developed mainly by him, he was near nowhere in terms of speed. There’s two possibilities – the car’s not fast or he wasn’t comfortable with the setup of the car. Let’s hope it Is just setup issues and he can find his speed in next rallies.
Overall we have enjoyed the rally and can’t wait Sweden to start.
Rage82, agree with comments except the last. Yes, Meeke was a disappointment this rally, but to say that the Citroen is a lot slower than other cars is a bit premature. Kris was at the sharp end (2nd) until he slid wide, and while he didn't set any scratch times he was there or there a bouts, and said that he didn't feel comfortable in the car.
His rally 2 results are largely to be ignored, no point risking further damage given his position, better to gather data.
Sweden will be a better indicator of Kris/citroens performance level.
Maxi Pixel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYQEHDCeWP8 energizing
To me Evans performance in RMC is a mystery. How can the difference be so big between legs as for him? Have it ever happened to a top driver doing such massive divergence in driving? Same car same tyres?
I´ll wait a couple of rounds until honouring him a top ten WRC driver level.
I was bored last evening and played around in a spreadsheet a bit and calculated the difference per kilometer compared to the stage winner for each stage separately. This removes stage length from the equation but to me it shows the "raw pace" on each stage. I also made an average of these differences and a ranking based on that. The average is less relevant to the "real time" classification because the pace on all stages has equal importance to the average regardless of length but I think it can show some things about the raw speed potential.
I removed the last stage from the average per rally because that was much affected by weather and I removed data that was affected by mechanical problems but not the driver mistakes. So here are some interesting things:
1. Evans had the best pace since SS9 on average. In real-time he was 0.2s slower than Ogier on all of the stages on Saturday but that's because Ogier had a smaller advantage over longer stages while Evans had a bigger advantage on shorter stages.
2. On SS12 the stage before he crashed Neuville had his slowest pace from all of the stages so far, by some margin. Maybe he started to backed off, relaxed and lost focus? In the post stage interview he said "I have the snow tyres this afternoon. This morning we were on slicks. It was the safe choice. We have a good lead, but we have to be clever." Maybe i'm over analyzing :P
3. Latvala was on average the 4th fastest, slightly faster than Sordo. He had 6 stages where he was under 0.5s/km slower than the winner and 4 more where he was under 1s/km slower. However, Meeke and Breen were not far behind, I'm pretty sure Meeke could have outpaced him and Breen was just 0.260s/km on average slower in a 2016 car.
I dunno, maybe it's a silly thing to look at but the results fit some of my intuition/feeling.
He never backed off, he just began leaving the road more and more often until he finally binned it.Quote:
2. On SS12 the stage before he crashed Neuville had his slowest pace from all of the stages so far, by some margin. Maybe he started to backed off, relaxed and lost focus?
So Evans to become 2nd in WDC then? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
haha, yes if the rest of the championship is composed of short, fast, tarmac stages. Oh wait, it's not ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
That's very interesting although maybe you chose the wrong rally to use it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Also, it could be integrated with other data like the kind of tyres used and others but it is very nice tool overall. :)
Some good action caught by JB rallye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xllbg4XsIp8
ps this one's also good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp9oA6TdHM
Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Meeke and Citroen but he finished only 2 stages before retiring setting 4-th and 3-rd fastest time and on Saturday he was slower than most of his rivals. He has some problems with the car also so you are maybe right that he was driving only to collect data, maybe my expectations were set very high as I was hoping he could probably fight for the win.
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Originally Posted by Norm75
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D-Mack on Elfyn Evans' Monte wins and their new tyres:
http://www.dmacktyres.com/magic-mont...-win-on-tarmac
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Excellent videos and well choosen spots.
My photos from the rally if anyone fancies a look. Been wanting to do this event for 20 years so very pleased to be able to tick it off.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/949985...57679444128816
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/628/32...f253f7f4_z.jpg1 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/479/32...ba97f3b8_z.jpg2 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/431/32...d8ecfc28_z.jpg3 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
checkpoints best of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9IeiqVkDpM