https://itgetsfasternow.com/2023/03/...s-single-runs/
Why are single-run WRC stages so rare these days? Do second passes of a stage cause smaller time differences or less crashes? Let's look at this question from different angles and statistics.
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https://itgetsfasternow.com/2023/03/...s-single-runs/
Why are single-run WRC stages so rare these days? Do second passes of a stage cause smaller time differences or less crashes? Let's look at this question from different angles and statistics.
Another factor in (admittedly usually depressingly unique) UK rallying is that forestry owners have charged less for a second run of a stage than the first, so a stage run twice is considerably cheaper than two separate stages ran once. Though to me, often the most significant damage to a track seems to be done by having a second pass...
It's easier to keep the stage crew, emergency staff, timing equipment and cameras from having to rush around. And it's a bit easier to wrangle the spectators, too.
I kind of miss the panic of tearing down a stage and moving the crew to another location thirty minutes away - triple that for collecting everyone then stringing out marshals on the new stage - but that's because my normal work is much more relaxed.
Well, in the 80´s they had over 50 stages in Rally Finland. Don´t know how many ran twice, but it wasn´t that many...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor-y
For example in 1985 there were 50 stages with three of them repeats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
But it's not the 80's anymore. The stages were in a very large geographic area so there were enough motor clubs and other volunteers to arrange them. The stages were generally very short, and the authorities didn't demand as much people working on the stages as today. And finally, people don't volunteer as easily today...
ProDrive will exit Extreme-E to focus on W2RC and future projects
PLEASE BE WRC PLEASE BE WRC PLEASE BE WRC PLEASE BE WRC
Anyone here know where did our very good friend on this forum, Jan VanVurpa, go? Is he still alive and kickin´?
Jan Van Landingham is his real name I guess.
After Mexico, where drivers are concerned, you could say the sum of the parts at Toyota easily outweigh those of M-Sport Ford and Hyundai.
Briefly, here is what they all bring to the table:
TOYOTA
1. Seb Ogier - Reliability, Experience, X-factor
2. Kalle Rovanpera - Reliability, Experience, Hunger, X-factor
3. Elfyn Evans - Experience, Hunger
4. Takamoto Katsuta - Hunger
M-Sport Ford
1. Ott Tanak - Reliability, Experience, Hunger, X-factor
2. Pierre-Louis Loubet - Hunger
Hyundai
1. Thierry Neuville - Reliability, Experience, Hunger, X-factor
2. Esapekka Lappi - Experience, Hunger
3. Craig Breen - Experience, Hunger
4. Dani Sordo - Reliability, Experience
Toyota's blend means the Manufacturers title is safely in the bag. The driver's title is what will be interesting to watch.
If Ford can scrape some reliability, the speed is there. Forget what Ott says. He will remain a title candidate as long as the car gets to the end of the event without serious gremlins.
Neuville is playing the percentage game best. He has to be a strong favourite for the title if he can just keep Rovanpera in sight. He nearly always finishes events.
You missed out Serderidis. What does he bring to the table other than money? Enthusiasm or comedy?
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David Kelly
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How did this not puncture? ��
On Saturday, a few drivers fell victim to some rocks that were pulled out by cars ahead on the stage
We hit one too - but didn’t realise til the stage-end the damage it did to the wheel - the tyre was still intact ��
Changed it and rallied on
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr0KbHuW...pg&name=medium
Thought to let you all know, that this was the first Away WRC event produced in Finland... there were no local NEP trucks or studios. It was all broadcast live from Mexico to Finland to the world and seems to have been a success.
Yeah, didn't notice any glitches!Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Just that they cut the picture while the most interesting stuff happened (Lappi). And missed some other important driver mistakes or "happenings".
The director can't predict the future. They can show a number of cars but can only guess who will crash out. Lappi's situation was shown as a replay.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnb
They cut away from Lappi to show the following two cars just cruising the stage.
Sometimes they cut just before an interesting passage from incar, only showing 5 secs of car revving on the startline.
I really don't get why they have to show every car taking off from the start line. It's only interesting if the car has an issue - even then, just show a replay if something noteworthy happens.
Same with in-car shots of the driver / crew's faces. That isn't where the action is, it's just one person turning a steering wheel, and another reading a book. Again - show a replay if something actually interesting or amusing happens, no problem. But live? When has anything worth looking at happened on the face cam?
I agree with you. But I also try to understand why they do this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Start line shots are only shown on TV stages. They are likely for sponsors, so the decals an be seen clearly on a stopped car. It also creates a "story" for a person who doesn't watch rallying so much, showing the order in which things happen ie. a car starts, drives on stage, another car starts, first car finishes etc.
Face cam is just a gimmick to me. It's a nice touch if used sparsely, but it's not informative at all. But maybe it makes the footage less monotonous.
I think when the director cuts to another camera, it doesn't happen instantly so we sometimes see something interesting happening but can't cancel the cutting anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Cuts happen instantly. You push a button and done.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
There's a some sort of transformation animation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
But transitions have a known duration. But with the start cameras it should be possible to trim the excess precisely as I believe they are always recordings/replays on normal stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
cameras are live all the time, you can switch (more than cut) instantly. you can apply a fixed time transition (wrc+ don't). that's the technical part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
the other side is narration/storytelling grammar. you have a semi-fixed script to balance the airing time between cars and also some fixed need. i.e = p.s starting of any car/end of ps/interview.
2023 Season - who was the fastest so far ?
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-f...r-in-wrc-2023/
Position Driver Stage wins
1 Sébastien Ogier 14
2 Thierry Neuville 13
3 Kalle Rovanperä 12
4 Esapekka Lappi 6
5 Ott Tänak 5
6 Craig Breen 4
7 Elfyn Evans 2
8= Taka Katsuta 1
8= Dani Sordo 1
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2023/03/...-short-stages/
Pros and cons of long stages
Good article Antti.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I suppose in an ideal world, we would have a rally with a mix of all of these lengths of stages, like the early 1980’s, but that’s not really possible now with the TV and rally format being so controlled.
Personally, I think on balance they legs are usually pretty good at 3/4 stages which balances out the stages and allows enough time for the TV to cover it all.
Just a fun fact. I don't know if anybody here is into rally models, but it seems quite popular here in Poland. Last year DeAgostini issued a series of models from WRC and ERC (1:43 scale). This year they extend it with new cars. Good to see that rallying is still popular enough for someone to do it:
https://www.deagostini.com/pl/hobby/rally-cars
Same series is also active in Greece, we are in No51, CZ, and Slovakia, and just recently finished in Spain.
Also looks that here in Greece the series is quite popular…
Loeb.Any news we dont know,or worth to mentioned from the French speaking members?
https://youtu.be/E1ntTjJzWzE
you can turn auto translation with greek subtitiles on youtubeQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Can anyone tell me what "nips" means regarding stage notes?
Usually a half tightens, but might be used instead of tightens as it’s quicker to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
I have heard a local NZ crew use the 'nips' expression, as a quick break between note instructions, e.g in places where the quick change of direction that is not obvious in a wooded section of road. e.g fast left by a slower right.
The Citroën DS3 WRC made its appearance in 2011, to replace the Citroën C4 WRC – due to a change in regulations. It remained Citroën's official weapon in the World Rally Championship until 2016. Overall, the model enabled the manufacturer to claim 26 victories in the World Rally Championship. No fewer than 11 of these 26 successes were won by chassis #17.
https://my-gallery.eu/listings/citroen-ds3-wrc/
It was really 26 wins?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Why not? Loeb and Ogier in 2011, Loeb and Hirvonen in 2012, and finally Loeb's one-offs, Sordo's 2013 Deutschland win and Meeke's wins
Oh crap, first thing in the morning and I guess my eyesight was too fuzzy as I thought it was about C3 WRC. I had to look twice to get it all straight. My bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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On of the winningest of all time?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Im not suuuuper into Group B but I always watch these videos with "Forgotten cars" from that era.
This one was with some really weird cars
https://youtu.be/NL7igM0ncs4
Wow! They even mention FSO Polonez at the beginning! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun