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I never understand why you continuously open yourself up to get slammed with posts like this UNLESS you mean that we've seen this already with Champcar. Your entire "out of control" theory about TG above is EXACTLY what the Amigos have been doing with Champcar since they bought the series. And frankly, it's truly a shame that the Amigos can't be fired or stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanguin
As for "ovalcentric", my point was that the event (Indy 500) that defines the sport and culture of America open wheel racing is an oval (IMS). Unless you can prove that you and your friends (employers?) The Sacred Amigos own that word, I will continue to use it as I see fit.
Running amok has certainly not been limited to TG and his merry men. All eras of CART and Champ Car have also seen sterling examples of the art and science of "amoking up". The current era in particular is a primer on how to lose friends and negatively influence people. One disturbing trend we have seen from both sides is the dropping of events that don't make sense. Has anyone bothered to really understand why? You can't always blame the promoter. BTW, how many of Champ Car's races are actually paying a real sanction fee these days? I keep hearing that Laguna Seca, Portland, St. Jovite, Road America, Zolder, and Jerez are freebees. I guess you can't blame the promoter then!
Sanguin, I'll will see you in Long Beach. I have been to every LBGP since day one and have seen F-5000, F1, CART Indy Cars then the OWRS Champ Cars which, BTW, have been the least impressive show. I always wonder if I am seeing the last OWRS race there and I am sure I am not alone in that regard. The ALMS race there last year was outstanding and their paddock made Champ Car's look like a pathertic club race by comparison. I am not happy to see that and I doubt that things will change this year despite the usual blind zeal of the TG failthful here and on CCF. Regardless, my hope is that this race lives to see a better day but I doubt it will come at the hands of the current event and series ownership who seem to be influenced by delusions and fanatics rather than common sense.
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Originally Posted by heelntoe
I agree. While the Amigos have shown they can run billion dollar businesses, they have equally shown their ineptness in running a race series.
Some facts for you to soak up:Quote:
Originally Posted by sanguin
-Less events this year
-TV contract is a pay for TV time, not a ture contract
-No new teams
-An unbadged engine
-More paying drivers here than at Fast times...
-No money in the till.....
The IRL
-#1 watched and attended OW race in the US
-PAID TV contract, in HD to boot!
-Higher TV ratings
-TV drivers on TV commercials
-Series promoted on TV and print
-Honda onboard!
-The top teams in OW racing, save for NHL (which is about to change...)
I agree on one point, and that is the Atlanitcs series. Fanatstic, and has a good TV offering.
Other than that, drugs are bad. Very bad.
CC does get sanction fees and the ALMS paddock is okay,but it isn't that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaimWitz
You would think the IRL would be more successful and not have a sponsor suing to get out. NHL is not going to IRL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt21
someone should tell Tony George that! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt21
What is going on here? Did any of you even read Jim Strong's letter? I think only one of you who posted after his letter appeared (tbyars) barely addressed its content, before you all got into personal sniping again. Yikes.
Please read what he is saying. He has some good ideas, a lot more than what has been posted on this forum recently (myself included) for all the debate we've been having as to how to resolve this mess we're all in, both CC and IRL fans. Strong has stepped away from being an advocate of either series and stopped drinking the split kool-aid altogether. His speaks for me and echos much of what Cmdr Keen and I have been debating on other threads.
Before you all get neck deep in further personal attacks, which seem easier that dealing the concept itself, I challange all of you to read Jim Strong's letter, and deal with the ideas he proposes.
At one point in his letter, Strong advocates for an even break up of the racetracks, in thirds, between ovals, roadcourses, and street courses. Nothing "ovalcentric" here (Strong does insist that the Indy 500 must be returned to its former level of greatness. Who could argue with that?). Is that a good idea? If not, why?
Strong also says it might be a good idea to make the cars run on alternate fuels, like diesel, as Audi does in ALMS. Good idea? Why or why not?
Strong also suggests maybe it's time for a team to choose the type of tires it wants to run, either red or normal tires for an entire race. How about that? Agree or disagree, and why?
Show me something. Show me you know as much as this guy Jim Strong, and if you don't like his ideas, what would you suggest? And keep it on the racing, if you can.
C'mon, bring it. I'm waiting.
Thanks Chaparral66 for posting the above. It was the reason I posted Mr. Strong's letter from Gordon Kirby's site in "what happens next" in the first place and I think it touches on the reason that Dr. Jack probably started this particular tread that now has over 750 replies and more than 30,000 views. How can all this move forward again to a better future? I like much of what was written by Mr. Strong and it wasn't about politics, it was about the content of the sport. Pushing hate and cultural division is not going to help the sport progress. My hope is that the majority of us who still care about this sport realize that and if we all push for healing rather than more pain and wasted years, dollars and careers the future will be worth fighting for. Justifying the mistakes of the past is doomed to failure (on both sides).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaparral66
1. Its rating goes down every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt21
2. The people paying for it state they did not want to pay for it.
3. Double, that is true .. but at only 1.1 and headed to below 1.0 this year.
4. No effect, at all
5. During CC commercials, so "no one" sees them
6. And trying to leave asap
7. All former CART teams and more IRL teams leaving.
Rosy glasses are being worn by both sides, unfortunately.
Compared to CC the IRL may be better, but that is not saying much.