Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Interesting stuff, this bit in particular - It shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide, upon a report or a request by the race director, if a driver or drivers involved in an incident shall be penalised.

Does this mean that, having told McLaren that he thought the position had been given back in a manner that was 'okay', Charlie Whiting then issued a report or request to the stewards?

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Never let the rules get in the way of issueing a penalty against McLaren :D

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Interesting stuff, this bit in particular - It shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide, upon a report or a request by the race director, if a driver or drivers involved in an incident shall be penalised.

Does this mean that, having told McLaren that he thought the position had been given back in a manner that was 'okay', Charlie Whiting then issued a report or request to the stewards?

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Ed Gorman, blogging for The Times, believes so.

What is more, I have established that, despite having appeared to convey to McLaren that Lewis had done nothing wrong, Whiting himself then played a key role in instigating the formal investigation of the incident by the stewards.

After every race it is normal procedure, apparently, for the stewards to enquire of the race director if there is anything that should be looked at. Whiting is thought to have said to them that, although he had been in touch with McLaren about the exchange between Lewis and Kimi on lap 42, the stewards may still want to have a look at it themselves.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Ed Gorman, blogging for The Times, believes so.

What is more, I have established that, despite having appeared to convey to McLaren that Lewis had done nothing wrong, Whiting himself then played a key role in instigating the formal investigation of the incident by the stewards.

After every race it is normal procedure, apparently, for the stewards to enquire of the race director if there is anything that should be looked at. Whiting is thought to have said to them that, although he had been in touch with McLaren about the exchange between Lewis and Kimi on lap 42, the stewards may still want to have a look at it themselves.

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Cockup? Yes? Bias? I don't think so.....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Cockup? Yes? Bias? I don't think so.....

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Sufficient grounds for an appeal?

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Ed Gorman, blogging for The Times, believes so.

What is more, I have established that, despite having appeared to convey to McLaren that Lewis had done nothing wrong, Whiting himself then played a key role in instigating the formal investigation of the incident by the stewards.

After every race it is normal procedure, apparently, for the stewards to enquire of the race director if there is anything that should be looked at. Whiting is thought to have said to them that, although he had been in touch with McLaren about the exchange between Lewis and Kimi on lap 42, the stewards may still want to have a look at it themselves.

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:confused:

So, after saying it was OK, he then starts off a process that results in them getting a penalty of 25 seconds.

I was just coming round to F1boats opinion that they were just incompetent and guilty of crap management but if this is true, then it seems like they have been sabotaged.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Sufficient grounds for an appeal?

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Perhaps yes :)

I think the penalty is fair. I think that the process that went towards the penalty is a bit clumsy. I do however think that if the advantage is not properly relinquished immediately that there should be a penalty as has happened. IMHO Lewis sort of negated his advantage. I think the onus should be on the driver and team to clearly negate any advantage they may be seen to gain and perhaps put themselves in a slightly worse position than they were in before the incident so as to make it clear that no advantage has been gained. Lewis cutting the chicane then giving place back and then overtaking all within the distance from one corner to another didn't satisfy me and obviously didn't satisfy the stewards.

If the penalty is lifted I'll disagree but I don't think it would be an outrageously bad decision which is indicitive of bias....

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Good point. If a driver faces a similar situation in Monza this weekend what are they supposed to do exactly?

This mess (including punishing Kovy for doing what DC alone has got away with half a dozen times this year) has created a situation where drivers - especially the 3 contesting the championship - are even less likely to attempt an overtaking move.

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I think that's a fair point.

Driving like this should be punished but DC has done that a few times this season already and nothing was done about it. Clear indication of a bias towards RBR and/or DC? ;) *taps nose knowingly*

let's go back to topic... Hamilton clearly paid for his inexperience... too greedy. didn't back off enough and got punished. Maybe next time he will do things differently... he could have passed Kimi several times in the remainder of the race, such was his superiority with cold tyres... come on, Lewis, a real champion can use his head in any circumstance...

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Anyway I'm off to the hospital for a blood test. So we'll see whether I'm the one who's crazy or whether it's just the rest of you :p

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I would say both :p :

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Cockup? Yes? Bias? I don't think so.....

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OK, lets run with this then and give the FIA the benefit of the doubt.

If it is a cock-up then they have the opportunity to rectify it and reinstate the correct race positions.

Lets just see what they do and judge them on their actions.