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Well that's great. For such a media savvy, hi-tech, 'professional sport', we have officials who 'Probably' think they know the rules. At least I now know that the 16-19 times a year while watching a GP, the people in charge think they know what's happening. I can sleep easily at night. Blimey- I thought the WRC was bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
see my thread
Spa <--fan pressure :mad:
Almost missed this part!Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
If the Race Director would have said that everything was OK, then I would say you are right.
However he said that [b]"PROBABLY"[/] it was OK.
I bet you know what "probably" means. Or maybe not!
only IF cars are traveling at +- the same speed I have learned here..was that the case ? can you therefore bring this effect in acount for this case and if yes..how you actualy gonne prove it this effect was in play ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
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Originally Posted by ioan
ioan
How many times have the rules relating to this been posted in the last few days.
Can I suggest you read them because you keep posting things that are blatently wrong and your opinion of how things work while criticising others for being wrong where they are indeed right.
For your benefit again.
The relevant points being:Quote:
"Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.
16.2 a) It shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide, upon a report or a request by the race director, if a driver or drivers involved in an incident shall be penalised.
b) If an incident is under investigation by the stewards a message informing all teams which driver or drivers are involved will be displayed on the timing monitors.
Provided that such a message is displayed no later than five minutes after the race has finished the driver or drivers concerned may not leave the circuit without the consent of the stewards.
16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping ;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of ten grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned.
16.4 Should the stewards decide to impose either of the penalties under Article 16.3a) or b), the following procedure will be followed :
a) The stewards will give written notification of the penalty which has been imposed to the competitor concerned and will ensure that this information is also displayed on the timing monitors.
b) From the time the stewards’ decision is notified on the timing monitors the relevant driver may cover no more than three complete laps before entering the pit lane and, in the case of a penalty under Article 16.3b), proceeding to his garage where he shall remain for the period of the time penalty.
However, unless the driver was already in the pit entry for the purpose of serving his penalty, he may not carry out the penalty after the Safety Car has been deployed. Any laps carried out behind the Safety Car will be added to the three lap maximum.
Whilst a car is stationary in the pit lane as a result of incurring a time penalty it may not be worked on. However, if the engine stops it may be started after the time penalty period has elapsed.
2009 F1 Sporting Regulations 8 of 43 11th July 2008
c) When the time penalty period has elapsed the driver may rejoin the race.
d) Any breach or failure to comply with Articles 16.4b) or c) may result in the car being excluded.
You wrote:Quote:
"Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to the race director for investigation) which :
You are wrong. Sorry :)Quote:
I think that you are a bit confused there, if you really believe that the stewards are there to refer things to the Race Director and also the other way around.
The person that should know what’s going on is the race Director and as such, McLaren followed protocol.
There must be a comedy sketch to be made out of this 'Probably' issue.
Judge: Are you Guilty of this Murder?
Defendant: Er, Probably!
Judge: Probably, what does this mean?
Defendant: Er, Probably! It means that - Probably!
Well, it's nice to see we are in agreement then :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Specifically, it was "OKAY"Quote:
Martin Whitmarsh added: "From the pit wall, we then asked Race Control to confirm that they were comfortable that Lewis had allowed Kimi to repass, and they confirmed twice that they believed that the position had been given back in a manner that was 'okay'.
Now, I know he didn't say it was OK, but is OKAY sufficient ;)
http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/mc...hp?article=181
Good point. If a driver faces a similar situation in Monza this weekend what are they supposed to do exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonieke
This mess (including punishing Kovy for doing what DC alone has got away with half a dozen times this year) has created a situation where drivers - especially the 3 contesting the championship - are even less likely to attempt an overtaking move.
Good point - count to 5, check what's on the menu for tea, then carry on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Interesting stuff, this bit in particular - It shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide, upon a report or a request by the race director, if a driver or drivers involved in an incident shall be penalised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Does this mean that, having told McLaren that he thought the position had been given back in a manner that was 'okay', Charlie Whiting then issued a report or request to the stewards?