Which is what, precisely? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
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Which is what, precisely? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
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Originally Posted by Daniel
I say this as an observer with no vested interest in this argument:
Daniel, sometimes it’s better to apologize and admit that you were wrong instead of incessantly trying to justify your point and therefore making it worse. Yes Daniel - even you can be in the wrong at times...
Daniel when you are already in a hole, stop digging.
No there aren't. There are competitors with varying degrees of experience and ability ... as there are in any sport. Many will actually admit to being 'learners' or to just having fun without great expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
To describe them in the manner that you have actually tells us more about you than it does about those to whom you're referring.
I think we've all learnt over the years that, where you're concerned, this goes without saying. Why it is that you, who has no involvement in the sport, continually feels the need to insult those who do is beyond comprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I'm with Janvanvurpa here. His description of you is insightful, accurate, spot on. A display of exquisite character judgement. I could not have chosen more apt words myself.
World vs Daniel :\
Poor Daniel he doesn't deserve all of this. He is not Loeb himself xD only a 'two eyed' fan who just sees the french BB as 'the unique and real rally driver of all time' (past present and future lol).
But anyway it's true that sometimes he gets over the limit, I remember one time he claimed to be the right one in a discussion against....Pentti ^^
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Originally Posted by Daniel
I was going to stay out of this, but really, the last paragraph was too much.
Get a grip. Maybe you should respect the fact that the sport of rally, more so than any other form of motorsport in the world, is supported by, built on, and dependent on the club level competitor. If you don't care what club level competitors think, what they do, or if you blatantly disregard and offend them then perhaps it is time for you to get off your "high and mighty keyboard" and get truly involved in the sport.
To not even understand how what you might have said was wrong and in bad taste reflects immensely and poorly on you and your character.
Perhaps, as the saying goes, you can't see the forest for the trees....
Thing is if I'd said that all people involved in club rallying were talentless idiots I'd be the first to say "whoops! that was a dumb thing to say!" but I didn't. I myself have friends who have competed at a club level for years and I've been part of their service crew. I'd happily service for my friend again if he was still competing and I lived in the same country as him but sadly neither of those is true. I wonder how many people on the WRC forum and in particular people around my age have had any level of involvement past spectating at events? Does that fact that I have had some involvement make me better or more able to comprehend English than them? Not really. I respect people who rally at a club level. I was just pointing out that if you go to a club rally with over 100 competitiors you will see a few talentless people who want nothing more than to go sideways. If that's their goal then that's great and I wish them the best in going as sideways as they like. But that doesn't change the fact that they're not all that skillful and that they'll satisfy your urge for stupidly sideways action moreso than seeing Sebastien or someone similarly skilled in a top car which doesn't reward especially sideways driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by duff
What's happened here is classic misinterpretation. I've done it myself a few times too. Read what I wanted to read in someone's post and then shot my mouth off. We all have at some point in the past. But as soon as the person says "that's not what I said/meant" I accept that I'm in the wrong (as JanVan and Solitt are here) and apologise.
As a sidenote if I was having this argument with my girlfriend I'd happily apologise for a misunderstanding because I love her and value her opinions and one silly argument is nothing to break up over. Just for the record neither JanVan or Solitt are my girlfriend so their apology might be a while forthcoming.......
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Thing is.... if I replied to you now saying you've offended the name of Portugal with a comment that doesn't actually mean what I claim it does then would you "care" about it considering the fact that I'm the one making it an insult and not you? If people want to interpret things that's fine. But you have to understand that the person who said them or typed them had their own intentions for those words and you have to accept that and not force them to admit to saying something that you want them to have said.Quote:
Originally Posted by L5->R5/CR
Everyone's entitled to opinion - whether you agree with it is up to you. No one should have to apologise if they dont feel they have to.
Personally I dont agree with what Daniel is saying but I will sure as hell defend his right to say it
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Originally Posted by Daniel
No Daniel.
First of all, I didn't say anything about Portugal.
You said: If you want to see people going sideways for fun go to your local rally where unskilled idiots with too much money throw their cars sideways and hope that they get around the corner.
You can twist others words to defend what you believe to be your point but that doesn't change matters.
You made a broad and condescending, if not insulting, comment. Additionally, you didn't do it in spoken word, where one's intent can be communicated in a broader sense; you did it in the written word, where your audience can only take you for exactly what you have written. If you cannot understand the difference in that then I have no further words for you.
Obviously, as you have elaborated as this discussion has dragged on, you meant more than your initial comment would reflect. Where is the harm in simply saying "I should have been more direct or specific". Or simply stating, "you know, I didn't make my point clearly". Like it or not, what you communicate, is not a product of your intent or attempt, but what your audience understands and perceives. No matter how diligently you defend "what" you said, it only matters what your audience "heard".