Fair enough, I may be underestimating the cost and user base needed to have multiple live streams. But yeah leaving that aside I'll be following to see if they bring improvements at least in other areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
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Fair enough, I may be underestimating the cost and user base needed to have multiple live streams. But yeah leaving that aside I'll be following to see if they bring improvements at least in other areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
definitely, let's hope for increase in service, quality and follower!Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
I´m really impressed of the finnish media doing Live from Arctic Rally. Almost same as Rally TV. Pity though main language is finnish. Now and then commentaries in english, is good.
It´s on Youtube.
Using EWRC besides makes it perfect.
On which channel are they showing the rally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Sorry. On Youtube. Just search Arctic Rally 2024Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Found it, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Of course there´s no incar, but anyway it´s really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
https://www.rallism.fi/content/en/1/10005/Home.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Belgian Rally Championship does something very similar on facebook :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
That's pretty good and it's free. Thanks for the heads up! Maybe it's an idea to gather such broadcasts in an own thread. I suppose other countries have it too.
I could be beating a dead horse... but why can't WE the viewer, have a selection of options to the side of the screen on an unedited/packaged LIVE feed and choose which car that is live on stage and angle we want to view? Have a few screens/angles of difference cars all at once... with timings and then the ONE live feed out which is commentary and directed?
The commentators are pretty useless, it was so obvious that Evans had no power (maxed out at +-160kph) but still they had no idea at all what was going on.
I've thought about this before and in place of an informed response I will guess it's down to bandwidth and distribution limitations of all these feeds from the source.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
This topic was discussed here many times. Transmition of data from cars is made through plane which is flying over the area. It is impossible to have transmission of all datas from all cameras in same time, it cannot work...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Really? They're hardly a high bit rate and depth. You mean Rally HQ aren't monitoring spectators and safety and so on, and the TV gallery can't see moments to replay without relying on telemetry?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I don't see this as impossible from a professional setup when I see the amount of devices on a family house consumer wifi.
I don't think that's the limitation because they show replays from on boards which were not shown live, so it means they have the video data already in the tv control center, where they can scrub through it and mix it in the main feed. If this is the case then it's nothing special and they could do what every other series does, yes those are on circuits but no it doesn't matter, if you have all the videos feeds it's exactly the same, circuits don't have data centers built into them either!Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
They could even stream it on free services such as twitch or youtube, but then they can't paywall it. So it's most likely a costs thing, since they then have to develop the website/app with these features themselves (a hard task for the team that developed the app with no sound control!) and pay for some service (like AWS) or own servers in a data center in order to broadcast at scale on the internet.
Believe me, they are not able to show all videos from all cars and all cameras in same time...Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
I believe you but I also believe they could show a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
That's basically the issue. The WRC Promoter's TV distribution architecture is based only on RallyTV-revenues and few highly-produced "World Feed" stages sold to Pay-TV. It's not sustainable in the long term and in the willing of developing your product. Instant solution: renegotiate the actual TV contract in order to allow another broadcaster to show fewer-but-free stages on FTA networks, so that you could have new revenues.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
An Italian example that could easily work:
PAY TV Sky Sports pays around 350.000 euros per season to have the "World Feed package" (meaning 5-6 stages per event)
Add a new contract with public-service broadcaster RAI Sport to broadcast the first SSS and the final Wolf Power Stage for like 150.000 euros per season.
Multiply this new "media mix" with all the key markets (mainly in Europe) and you got 1 or 2 more millions to invest in increasing the product you're selling as WRC Promoter.
New revenues > new investments > new audience > new global sponsors > even more revenues.
It's not rocket science.
Outside the 0,00,000/safety cars, and general footage transmitted. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
They are watching live onboards from all cars as well
Rally TV is finally available on Android TV. Maybe other platforms as well.
I'm pretty sure, that they are watching live onboards and calling safeties with orders for spectators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
But....
If they are going to cancel the stage, well, in reality this is possible only during 0's cars passage.
This was published 20th Feb, immediately after the chat here. Safety delegate explains just that here, meanwhile the screens on the walls show plenty of live feeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToKu
https://youtu.be/RMgedJlrJ-w?t=463
The whole video is worth a watch.
So I got some info from someone who knows a bit more, to lay to rest the onboards discussion, the streaming part would not be an issue, would just cost some extra money but the plane can't indeed cover the whole stage. The screen we saw with the onboards is something put together from a few cars that are on the stage and in range of the plane, the content would constantly change depending on who's there.
So yeah i suppose it's not gonna happen unless they make RallyTV PRO version which costs 240e and they get a second plane up there :D
I'm not calling anybody a liar and will take your word for it, but I find this difficult to believe. I'd believe it can't cover every car in the rally over multiple stages, but a Rally1 class of ~10 cars which are never on two stages at the same time should not be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Another thing is there being a need for humans to watch all screens for content purposes, they shouldn't be streaming road sections or cockpit chit chat etc by accident.
The technological limit is the range/distance that it can receive data from the on-board cameras. I thought it circles the whole stage but it seems it's a smaller area. So it's not so much about the number of feeds, cars or streams it's the distance to the signal that's the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Also it now makes more sense how they show the cars, first couple of cars from the start of the stage and then as they get to the end new cars are picked up from the middle somewhere. So because of that you can't see any specific car through the stage uninterupted unless the plane moves along with that car.
if it's the distance and signal transfer issue ,why can't use multiple drones to replace the helicopter, just for group 1 cars onboard live??
How would that help? The helicopter is not the receiver, the receiver is the aeroplane circling above.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
Unable to watch the stages for me, just live is ok, anybody else with the same issue ?
Yes, I've had the same since yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by traxx
I was able to watch one replay (SS1) on the rally.tv app on my Android phone, but only the one.
I had to re log in on the Mac twice.
Also just noticed i got drawn twice for the subscription, seems like you should do it directly, not pay through paypal or other like i did according to the FAQ.
Need to cancel and request refund from paypal, just a heads up.
I was unable to watch on Thursday, every time I changed feed, it said I had to subscribe. If I were able to actually get to the SS1 feed. It was just loading.
I watched a bit of SS1 earlier today, and now it's not even opening the website.
I just checked. It is working for me now in the browser, to watch stages from earlier today.
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Originally Posted by Morte66
Worked for me last night as well, but back to not working now. Just stuck in an endless loading loop (and the screen showing the last picture of the stream, so when trying to load in SS8, I got to see the result from the stage... perfect.
I've been a supporter of this since they started all live. I've felt they do a good job considering how rally is, and the cost it must be to do it all. However this rally have so far been poor from rally.tv
EDIT: Seems like they are not splitting the stages properly. It starts to load the stage/service park, then it just ends up doing a forever "load live" loop.
SS8 is now possible to watch. The rest from Saturday... is not.
Nice to see WRC showing this raw footage. So much better without the annoying comms you get over the All Lve and highlights.
https://youtu.be/_EI94SF54aA?si=QDfokVFCP3xhVE7O
Shame I can't find the Media Zone/Service broadcasts from rallies between stages on the LIVE footage... or am I missing something? Was this feature taken out?
Of course they taken out, you get less for more money. The app or the whole platform is hard to navigate, you literaly need to turn every piece to find live stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
just want to admit i stop paying for 'wrc+' last season to watch only the highlights on redbull tv. however the safari round last week i didnt even watched that, only the youtube highlights. i guess im totally losing interest because of all the drama. weird. i remember losing interest in indycars by 2014 also because of all the drama on everything. never watched a full race anymore (other than almost all the indy500s since then). does anyone moved out from watching wrc+ to highlights only too?