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So, they've taken this long to make the iPhone do what Android has done from the start? That's progress.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Oh, and parallax.
Wilko, it's different on the iPhone...and it looks better :p :
Yeah they've taken some of the better Android features but it still has the essence of iOS. It looks very nice I have to say :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
No operating system or in fact any product at all should ever introduce any feature or style which was ever on any other product before it.
That is a bit difficult in certain markets and especially highly competitive ones. With mobile phones, users want certain features and manufacturers have no choice but to produce their own versions of what others have done. If they didn't, the iPhone's, Samsung's and HTC's etc wouldn't be the phones they are today because they'd all be trying to do something different. Look at car design for instance. Innovation only goes so far and I think Apple have taken some of the most useful features and used them in their product. This silly demand for thinking outside the box innovation worked fine a few years ago, but I think we have reached a point where smart phone owners know what they want from a device and the market research these companies do dictate how they develop their products. Your statement would make my job very very hard indeed if it was a reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
So Apple would have the mouse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
What (if any) car company would get the wheel? Or engine?
Exactly my point ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Ah so we were playing the sarcasm guessing game after all. :)
Actually Apple did not invent the mouse, they stole it from Håkan Lans.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
And Microsoft kindly borrowed it eh? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
That doesn't change what Jobs (Apple/Macintosh) did.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
OK kindergarten, now you can go on with the useless bickering. :p
No you're right ioan. I may have always been pro PC when it came to computers, but that doesn't change what Jobs did. A true innovator who brought something very different. A man Gates respected tremendously.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I have to point out though, there was no bickering, all tongue in cheek without a hint of heat. ;)
How about: no operating system or in fact any product manufacturer should ever introduce any feature or style which was ever on any other product before it then screen nauseating TV adverts implying that they were the first one to come up with that idea (for example contoured earbuds that you've been able to get in Poundland for a decade)? Better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I've never seen an advert claiming they are the 'first' to do anything. Their marketing puts it across to the consumer in such a way that the viewer feels its a fantastic idea, whether that's annoying or not. I don't really have opinions on their adverts or any other phone ads on TV because they are what they are. Adverts are annoying intervals in the middle of program's I enjoy watching. What does annoy me in everyday life is people who have mocked what I have chosen to use because they have issues with its brand. I've encountered this a number of times now and people need to get a flippin grip.
And the whole idea is stolen from Jolla Mobile's Sailfish OSQuote:
Originally Posted by pino
Keon: It's not an iPhone replacement, but it's bloody good for €100
Has anyone here been following this development? What do you think? Sounds very interesting, IMO.Quote:
While it's fun to play with the Keon, it's not the hardware that’s special - it's Firefox OS. After living with the Keon for more than a month, I can safely say Mozilla's vision of a web-based mobile future isn't just appealing, it feels inevitable.
There are some rough edges, though. Firefox OS is definitely not the new and shiny you've been looking for, rather it's the new and quietly revolutionary. The Keon as is comes pretty close to offering everything you'd need in a mobile device, but it's still not likely to tempt iOS or Android fans to switch. And that's just fine with Mozilla. The target market for Firefox OS isn't current iOS or Android users, it's the rest of the world - people who don't yet have a mobile internet device at all.
But before Firefox OS takes the currently-not-connected world by storm, it first has to get developers interested, hence the Keon phone.
The Keon is a solidly built piece of hardware with decent, though not great, specs and a screen that looks nearly identical to the iPhone 3G/GS.
The Keon has a 3.5-inch HVGA screen, 1GHz single-core processor, 512MB RAM, 3MP camera and 1,580mAh battery with up to a day's battery life. By contrast, the more recent iPhone - the 5 - packs a 4-inch screen, 1.2GHz dual-core chip, 1GB memory, 8MP rear and 1.2MP front camera, and allows up to eight hours of usage on the battery.
In short, the Keon's not going to wow gadget enthusiasts but it's about what you'd expect from a €100 (approximately) device: a good phone with a few compromises to make it affordable. However, it's a perfectly capable phone for developers who need to test their apps.
And it is developers, not end users, that Mozilla wants for Firefox OS right now because, after all, the Firefox OS simulator will only gets you so far. Some things, like apps that take advantage of the accelerometer or user location, really need to be tested in the real world, which is what developers can do with the Keon.
The thing about familiar tools is you know what to do with them. Developers can make or break a platform but Mozilla has a distinct advantage over other platforms trying to break into the iOS-Android duopoly: the web.
Firefox OS apps are built using the same basic toolkit you'd use to build any website: HTML, CSS and JavaScript. It's tempting to say if you can built a webpage you can build a Firefox OS app. Technically that's true: any webpage can be installed as a Firefox OS app even if its author has never heard of Firefox OS, but to take advantage of the unique attributes of a mobile device you'll need to go a little beyond a simple webpage.
All ads are a tenuous link to reality. For example, car manufacturers suggest their latest offering will achieve xx.xmpg, but only if you drive backwards while singing numbers from the Sound of Music.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Apple adds show slick and lightening fast page loads - and that's bigger balls that a Great Dane.
Then there is teh latest Kindle ad - with devices being used in the pool, put in the underseat storage of a moped etc. Try actually doing that, and then see if - when it gets wet or the screen cracks, and you explain why - they replace it under warranty.......
Yeah its all mostly rubbish, but as annoying as some are, people remember them. Apple make it all look very clean so the viewer remembers the product rather than a scenario. Plus they make Siri look very good but in reality it rarely brings back the results you ask for. You are right about page loads but I think that is the same of any phone advert. They don't want you to know you'll be looking at a status bar for a fraction of a second longer than you actually have to. Having tested my mates Samsung S4 side by side with the iPhone, I have to say the iPhone is a fraction quicker when loading apps and internet pages. Smaller processor in the iPhone but doesn't have the bloatware the S4 comes with I suppose. Then again its so marginal its hardly going to put people off IMO. The S4 is a nice looking phone though I have to say, just a little too big for my tastes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Haven't seen one, but the concept is sound. I think most users really just settle in to average day to day use that doesn't involve much horsepower or the need for a million features. Being you can already get very capable phones for cheap, I see no reason why there isn't room for another one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I've been using the Firefox browser for a couple of years now. And if they can get this phone to market, I could see myself at least trying one, though not getting tied into a contract or anything - just something to play with. I really like Mozilla's approach. IMO, as a browser, it is what Android pretends to be as a mobile OS. If they do a good job of keeping viruses and spyware apps off the platform (unlike Android), maybe I would get one and keep it longer term. Really, I'd like to do something that supports Mozilla. I'm fairly well tied into the Apple ecosystem with other devices, so as a primary phone, I'll probably break down and get an iPhone next year - especially if they bump the screen size up to 4.5"+.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
"Sequence shortened" is almost as bad as "Not actual gameplay footage", and neither have any place in adverts. :angryfireQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I agree Dave :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I hate nothing more than watching a game trailer and then realise its an animated film rather than what you see on screen. I suppose its a loophole they use to make the products seem better plus they have limited seconds to fit in their promo material. Not so great for us however.
My wife just joined the iphone camp.
She was a BB user and finally caved in with all of her family connected with the iphone network.
We got it for $100 bucks (she did have to give them her BB though - but $100.00 for a brand new iPhone 5 aint bad.)
I can't believe what I am reading?! She could have got a 19 core breakdragon powerhorse with a 10 inch screen running Asteroid for less than that. What was she thunking? Nah seriously, not a bad deal and just in time for the new OS in the autumn. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
You wannabe geek, you won't get something THAT amazing. But for $100, something much better than an iPhone 5? Definitely. :p :p :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
lol, yeah but if you want iOS there is no competition. I suppose Mrs Race could have waited to see what Apple launch later in the summer, whether that's the iPhone 5S or 6, but the iPhone 5 is still a very nice phone especially for only a $100 IMO. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Erm, I was joking... ;)
The breakdragon is now obsolete. When mobilenerder.com tested with spreadsheets that took two days to calculate, it was bested by several seconds. The droidtroller 50 core and others beat it. I can tell the difference every time I open an app with my droidtroller. A nanosecond here, a nanosecond there, it all adds up! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
I started my post acknowledging that.... Always awkward when a joke has to be analysed and explained 'lol'.
I know, right? And Crapple is still more expensive! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I guess I'm out of touch with all these doors or cores as they are now known, thrown into the equation. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I know you only see one side of the fence, but I see both. I think there is valid reason they get away with charging what they do, even though in theory the products are inferior. I've been building my own PCs for many years and have seen how theory is often trumped by reality, or in many cases by the interface making slower performance still more desirable.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
The Crappletastic 8 will sell well IMO, regardless of what it is.
Teach me master! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
See, that's the thing! They don't anymore. ;) And there is no valid reason. :p They don't even have quite the same monopoly or market share anymore either. The consumer is waking up.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/14/te...-apple-android
And because of that, Apple are forced to change their business model or at least introduce new products to stay in the game:
Cheap iPhone release date, news and rumours | News | TechRadar
That's a rather bold statement IMO, not based on recent stats I assume. Anyway, that remains to be seen. A few more debacles like Apple "Maps" :laugh: and continued patronizing of customers, and they will start feeling the heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Oh god I knew a little bit of banter couldn't stay that way without becoming a dig at some point.
Considering how positive the reception has been so far for iOS 7, I don't think Apple are in any danger of losing out. Its a bit of a double edged sword with the sales thing because Android is an OS covering many manufacturers so will undoubtedly outsell Apple due to its outreach. A huge chunk of the Android market is in lower end handsets too, which at this point in time Apple do not contribute to. There are plans to introduce a budget iPhone but that is more due to demand than desperation on Apple's part. We are entering an age now where manufacturers are starting to listen to consumers more and introduce demands. Much like Microsoft with the latest X Box for example. Android sold way more than any other in 2012 but that was to be expected for reasons stated above. Apple released a new handset and OS at the end of 2012 and Android shared itself across multiple releases. Its one manufacturer with its own OS against a market of many manufacturers sharing Googles OS. This makes it even more confusing when you consider Apple made more profit from its mobile sector in 2012 than any other manufacturer. Many put this down to phone manufacturers making less profit on devices like the Nexus and so many companies sharing a piece of the pie in their chosen market. Samsung were rumoured to be looking into departing from Android and going it alone to attempt to truly conquer the market with its own totally in house product. Whether this will happen remains to be seen, I doubt it will.
Both Samsung's and Apple's stock has fallen in the last 6 months. Apple experienced this first and many took delight in the apparent downfall, whereas not so many weeks later Apple's biggest rival experienced it too with poorer than expected sales of their latest release. It happens and companies this popular usually recover and have. I know it was revealed recently that although more Android devices were sold in the UK, iOS devices are accountable for the largest share of mobile web traffic here. This obviously takes into account iPads are still very much the tablet of choice here too. My second cousin is a tech analyst for the BBC and often appears on Business breakfast giving his views and recently mentioned that a fair chunk of Android phones are owned by senior people looking for a cheap handset and never really use them to their full potential, i.e constantly connected to 3G etc.
On to yet again the point about hardware pricing and to be honest I thought this had been put to bed. A friend of mine bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 some weeks ago and paid out more for the handset and contract than I paid for my iPhone on launch. Now if Apple were so greedy with their pricing, why are they no longer the most expensive? Sure you could say if you don't like it buy something else. I think this comes down to choice of OS. If you want iOS then there is only one option and if you are not prepared to pay for it, then its too bad. With other platforms there is a larger scale of products to choose from. You can buy an Android phone for 40 quid and contribute to their sales, but if you want a flagship model you have to be prepared to pay 400 quid plus which brings it up to Apple's pricing. I don't think there is much in it now and Apple have proven year after year that they keep their pricing consistent with the previous release. I know the Captain was predicting the iPhone 5 would suddenly be a hundred quid more expensive on launch but the reality was they charged the same amount as the iPhone 4 and 4S. The Samsung Galaxy S3 and S4 here have not been quite so consistent here with previous releases however. Having played with the S4 I have to say its an impressive piece of kit and Android is a lot better than if was when I used it daily. Obviously with Android it demands more powerful hardware which is why models boast quad core snapdragon with so much ram which all sounds very impressive and no doubt is to those interested. I know the benchmark testing has shown the S4 to more than live up to expectation even if many were disappointed it was too different to the S3. Having tested the S4 first hand I have to say its physical experience that counts rather than impressive pie charts. My friends S4 was slower than my iPhone on certain tasks. Opening an email, opening Chrome, Youtube, loading a webpage on the browser were all marginally slower on the S4. Why is this? Not that it really matters in day to day life to me but to some people it obviously does. I don't pretend to understand all the in's and out's of software and can only really comment from what I have seen and experienced. Maybe others have an explanation?
Although much of what I have said above is in defence of Apple's situation, I'm not trying to play them off against each other because I've always said they serve different sectors of the market anyway. I don't agree Apple is trying to dominate the market because they haven't attempted to cover all the bases the likes of Android and WP8 have. They are still a popular consumer and business brand and the likes of many are looking forward to IOS 7 and the hardware offerings later in the year. They both co exist and are dominate amongst their own customer base. I know people who have moved from iOS to Android and vice versa but it will always come down to personal taste. I'm happy on iOS for now and watch with interest what they all offer because I've never been brand loyal. If someone offers something better IMO I will jump ship and try it out. I find liking a company too much or hating a company just for the sake of it just limits your own options in the future. :)
*essay alert - I think I need another extended break from this topic after that! :p )
Apple was never a brand you would associate with producing goods for the 'budget' market. It clearly demonstrates [for me at least] that the overinflated prices charged by Apple is now the reason for this shift.
Once they start making affordable products, the high end stuff will be hard to justify IMO.
It seems you lot can dish it out, but have problems taking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
As for the rest of it, sorry henners, didn't read, too long. I know you put a lot of effort into it, but after the first few lines I had this strange feeling of deja vu, and I'm in a big hurry for work.
Anyway, major changes to iOS and rumors of a cheaper iPhone have come for a reason. I thought this might be a good read - iPhone sales projections are now so low it
Yep, we all do! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Fair enough, I won't open your link at fear of wasting any more of my valuable time. It appears you are the victim of your opening line too. Others can't take it but you couldn't be bothered to read my post because presumably you couldn't take it either lol? At least I go on my break with a smile on my face. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
They need to produce a fair amount of low end stuff for it make any impact on its higher end products. Other companies seem to manage to produce both and demand higher prices. Why would you buy a Ford Mondeo when you can get a Fiesta for considerably less? Every product offers a different experience and no doubt the £350 iPhone will be lacking in features compared to the high end device. Your not just going to be paying a premium for a bit of aluminium on the back and sides when you could get the same experience with a polycarbonate model. These things have to be justified and Apple are not stupid enough to undercut their flagship model. Samsung haven't provided consumers with the same hardware at both ends of their range because that makes little sense too. They have though increased the prices of their flagship phones which bring them in line with the brand you suggest is 'over inflated'. People have no issues there though because they consider one better than the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I knew Apple were not going to be silly with their pricing:
Cheap iPhone won't actually be that cheap, says purported manufacturer | News | TechRadar
:)