another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

Any Liberal, Euro-Weenie types who read this will no doubt scream “Eeeeek! Facts!” and run. So tell us again why we need more gun control regulations? Oh right, it’s touchy-feely time and we feel we need to outlaw all those nasty guns regardless of reality.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

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What a fantastic selection of countries to come in behind.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Your first comment is spectacularly naive. If civilians are not allowed to own a handgun for protection in this fairy tale land of your imagination, how do you propose to ensure the bad guys don't get them? Oh yes, I get it--everyone will start to behave and the bad guys will just stop being bad. :rolleyes:

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It worked in other countries, so no fairy tale there, the one living in LaLa land is you.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Is there any other country that values gun ownership, and the right to protect one's self, like the U.S.A.?

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Nope, you're unique with these levels of paranoia.

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Originally Posted by D-Type

This reads rather like "Who will bell the cat?" It's all very well to say that the US Authorities should pass legislation to ban gun ownership, but how can they imlement it and tackle the issue of the very large number of guns in circulation, both legally held and not legally held?

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If they do not even try then can not know if it works or not.
Or are we going by the saying: The only way not to fail is by not giving it a try.

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Originally Posted by The American Thinker

Articles: Murder by Numbers
Here is the list of European countries whose most recent murder rates exceeded the U.S.'s.
• Greenland (19.2)
• Russia (10.2)
• Moldova (7.5)
• Lithuania (6.6)
• Ukraine (5.2)
• Estonia (5.2)
• Belarus (4.9)

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"Take out the black underclass from the statistics, and even American murder rates fall to European levels."

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nice "facts" you read vop :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Thank you. And (unlike some here), I'm not insulted or threatened when someone doesn't agree with me. In fact, when done in a constructive manner, that's precisely how solutions to a complex issue can be found.

I'd say that most of the European members and quite a few from the U.S. may not share my views on this topic. And I have some views that some of the gun owners on here probably wouldn't care for either. But if we want to discuss realistic, practical solutions, that can actually come to fruition, then trading ideas and relying on data (and not emotion!) is how we could accomplish that.

It's the holidays and I've already had enough emotional discussions (in real life) to last the rest of the new year... so if the thread can't progress, then (to me) it's a pointless exercise. Maybe a few of us can take it up a notch though and we can have a good discussion.

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Contrary to the opinions of some, I'll be the first to agree that we (the US) have a problem with mass murder. Where we differ is the cause. I do not believe that ownership of firearms is a prime cause, else there would be many, many more of them (mass murders). Further, any attempt to restrict ordinary citizens from ownership is doomed to failure for several reasons mentioned in this thread already. I do believe that our attitudes toward mental health and complete failure to take action to remedy the situation are much more of an issue. Perhaps we can look at some suggestions in that line?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I hate to say so, but in none of this is the USA unique.

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But the mix is a special one, mostly because of the gun related culture that no other civilized country developed to such perfection.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The truth hurts you so much that you have to resort to infantile personal insults?

You are for a Centrally, government controlled economy, You are for the Government control and support of Industry, You are for the state over the rights of individual.(don't even try to deny that one. You call for Gun control is Clear evidence). You oppose freedom of speech and expression and gladly support any government action to squash any "speech" you find unacceptable.


Soooooooooooooo please explain to us how you beliefs aren't fascist!

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You obviously do not know what fascist means.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Contrary to the opinions of some, I'll be the first to agree that we (the US) have a problem with mass murder. Where we differ is the cause. I do not believe that ownership of firearms is a prime cause, else there would be many, many more of them (mass murders). Further, any attempt to restrict ordinary citizens from ownership is doomed to failure for several reasons mentioned in this thread already. I do believe that our attitudes toward mental health and complete failure to take action to remedy the situation are much more of an issue. Perhaps we can look at some suggestions in that line?

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I believe this to be skirting around the edges of the problem.

As regards mental illness, in making comments about the state of mind of a couple of people in this thread I have done so not out of a desire to seem cheap or insulting, but because to me it genuinely proves a point about some of the most vehement gun enthusiasts.