Rally Deutschland 2012

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Originally Posted by skarderud

i think that, they have to be at 105% all the time to match his speed, then its easy to do mistakes. but its not sebs fault.

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they have to try at THEIR 105% because at EVERY rally there is a WRONG setup for both Ford drivers.Yes with wrong setup the highest possibility is to crash.When there is no the ''wrong setup'' they ruined the rally with wrong tyre choices.
These drivers worth a championship?But Loeb have ruined the wrc.....
Ford were for 3 days tests for Germany.Suddenly in a rally they have compete for almost a decade they found at first stages brake fade.
What are they doing at tests????? They didn t had fade????? These comments are laughable from wanabe champions against Loeb.If you can t find the proper pads,after 3 days tests is not lucky Loeb.
No mate THEY DONT DESERVE A CHAMPIONSHIP,drivers and team._

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Originally Posted by rp

During the last year I lost totally my respect for Loeb. He was not willing to compete with Ogier and he forced Citroën to release Ogier´s contract and go away from his team.

Now Loeb is very happy. He is able to win all the time and the WRC is the situation like never before...

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I want to show me another example of a 8 times world champion with 60+ wins that when his team mate won 2 rallies they made him No2 in the team while he was at that time 1st in points with margin from 2nd driver.
These things have existence only at amateurs ie see how they treat this year Ford their driver with most points.
At serious profesional teams there is a number 1 and a number 2 with specific roles for each driver.As we saw at later rallies last year Ogier couldn t play the number 1 being slow and out of road.
Can you sum the points Ogier collected at 2nd half vs Loeb points? Championship was totally open with Quesnels @##%%

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Originally Posted by dimviii

I want to show me another example of a 8 times world champion with 60+ wins that when his team mate won 2 rallies they made him No2 in the team while he was at that time 1st in points with margin from 2nd driver.
These things have existence only at amateurs ie see how they treat this year Ford their driver with most points.
At serious profesional teams there is a number 1 and a number 2 with specific roles for each driver.As we saw at later rallies last year Ogier couldn t play the number 1 being slow and out of road.
Can you sum the points Ogier collected at 2nd half vs Loeb points? Championship was totally open with Quesnels @##%%

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That is one think I personally don't like in motorsport. Always there must be N1 and N2. What if Loeb decides to drive until 45? Poor Hirvonen.... But I'm just regular race fan, not a company which spends billions per year to be N1.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

But Loeb have ruined the wrc.....

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Complete Nonsense!
Let's make a poll and see how many think your way.
Аny sober person would recognize the achievements of Mr. Backflip.
The guy shows how it should be done and set the pace for years to come.
Get over it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UboR7FZrys

Dani and Ott can restart tomorrow.

vM Junior ended the rally today.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

OK, team atmosphere is important regarding every day business as known on Wall Street and other businesses.

But no, this tiny difference cannot be explained as "team atmosphere" it´s just spelled LOEB. When he cruises around the other top guys, and mark I call them top drivers because they are, have to to do everything they can to have same speed. But no, it´s impossible to have that for example on 45 km German tarmac stage.

So let´s see this clear. Mr Loeb is so superntural that unless he don´t qiut the WRC ASAP the WRC will be dead and gone in a couple of years from now...

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Bottom line of your post is what i fear.

From what Matton said today, it sounds like Loeb will be in next year. But so will Ogier :) He has a score to settle with his former team mate. I thought JML would get the job done this year, with his performance on tarmac last year, and his overall pace, I had never predicted his season would be like this. Hopefuly Ogier wont "do a latvala" next year.

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Originally Posted by danon

Complete Nonsense!
Let's make a poll and see how many think your way.
Аny sober person would recognize the achievements of Mr. Backflip.
The guy shows how it should be done and set the pace for years to come.
Get over it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UboR7FZrys

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i think (and hope) diimvii was being sarcastic there... loeb sets the benchmark and it's not his fault that no one can match him

Loeb killing the WRC or not, that is the question! but i personally think that we will wait a loooooong time to witness such achievement in any motorsport whatsoever again once he retires. so congrats for all the records.
on the other side, once again Hirvo will finish on the podium, even though he was way off the pace from km 1. That proves how smart he is too, he knows he can't be fast, doesn't like the rally, off the rhythm and yet still score more point than Solberg. He would have been a truly deserved world champion if he wasn't competing at the same era than loeb... to be continued.

Loeb is like Makinen some years ago. He was the best of the best... until Mitsubishi stoped investing money.

Then, with 4 titles on the pocket, Makinen decided try one of the best team: Subaru. The rest of the story all of you already know.

That's what Loeb is no man to do. He is affraid of losing the status.

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Originally Posted by skarderud

i have to correct you, dimvii. yes, schumi ruined F1. really. i didn't watch F1 for 8-10 yrs because the uninterested races with schumi 10-20 sec in front. always.

same in wrc, with seb.all respect to that guy, seems like a really nice guy to. he's the best driver, oh yes! he also have the best codriver. noone will disagree he is inside the best team(with best budget), and few will disagree he had the best car the most of times. the problem is that noone has had this combination before. in the "golden" 90's, the best drivers won 3 events thru the year, and retired 3-4 events also.
to be analytic, seb have been a "lucky guy", variable competition, few teams, max 2-3 drivers close to competitive, but not totaly at "par". cars has been breakable, due to overload and to high risktaking from the other guys. i think that, they have to be at 105% all the time to match his speed, then its easy to do mistakes. but its not sebs fault.

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For the resons you mention above I pretty much have written this year off. With Mini and VW treating this season as basically another test year and Ogier, JML not being competitive (think about JML points after what happened in Monaco and Mexico) I am not really interested in what Loeb does now as the title is a dead certainty. Hopefully next year Mini and VW can put something up that gives Loeb some worries.