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28th November 2011, 19:07
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by chuck34

That was exactly my point. Government has set up the system that allows for corporations to pay little or no tax. They would be foolish to pay more. And the people at Occupy Wall Street have their anger misplaced. It should be directed at D.C. and the politicians that have allowed this system to be.

Ah, yes, that old get-out — 'it's the system that's at fault', as used by many British MPs in the aftermath of being found out over their expenses claims:

Alan Duncan MP - Embarrassing U-Turn on MP's expenses - YouTube

If you believe in personal responsibility being taken, such an attitude is inherently contradictory.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

That is except for Warren Buffett (one of the world's richest men, and one of the loudest voices advocating for taxing the rich), he is apparently about $1Billion behind in his legal obligation to pay taxes, and he's fighting that in court. Funny that. :D

Advocating higher taxes does not, surely, mean that one whould just automatically pay if one feels one has been taxed wrongly?
28th November 2011, 19:08
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by ioan

Let's see. What are the chances to have someone on the list that is better than what they have now?
Or to put it clearer, what are the chances for the rotten political parties to propose candidates that will actually do what is right for the many and not only for the few they are part of?
The chances are slim to zero.

Because all mainstream parties now advocate the same 'business-friendly' (i.e. sucking up to the rich) approach, offering voters none of the choice they otherwise espouse. Funny, that.
28th November 2011, 19:09
chuck34

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Am I alone in thinking that ioan meant to write 'Who said government has to be involved'?

Again, if we are speaking of charities, and not governments. Then I'm with you. I would support a movement asking "the rich" to give more, as Bill Gates has for just one example. But that is not what I have seen from the OWS people. If that really is their central message then I will change my mind about them. But you guys are going to have to do a lot of intellectual cartwheels to make me believe that one.
28th November 2011, 19:09
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by chuck34

If you talking about charities, I'm all for them. I personally donate heavily to them. Many of the "hated rich" do as well. So again why protest Wall Street?

Donating to charity does not stop one from being a dreadful person. (That statement is absolutely not directed at you, by the way.) Nor does it absolve companies from criticism.
28th November 2011, 19:10
ioan

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Originally Posted by chuck34

If you talking about charities, I'm all for them. I personally donate heavily to them. Many of the "hated rich" do as well. So again why protest Wall Street?

No I am not for charities, not from you and not from the governments, I am for a system that doesn't need charity, where each healthy individual can make a living and where the less healthy ones can be supported by the healthy ones.
This is not possible with 20% of the population owning 80% of the resources.
28th November 2011, 19:10
chuck34

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Originally Posted by ioan

Let's see. What are the chances to have someone on the list that is better than what they have now?
Or to put it clearer, what are the chances for the rotten political parties to propose candidates that will actually do what is right for the many and not only for the few they are part of?
The chances are slim to zero.

So you have given up? Excuse me for not being as defeated as you.
28th November 2011, 19:11
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So you have given up? Excuse me for not being as defeated as you.

Come on, be realistic here. Room for alternative views in mainstream politics has never been less.
28th November 2011, 19:11
ioan

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Donating to charity does not stop one from being a dreadful person. (That statement is absolutely not directed at you, by the way.) Nor does it absolve companies from criticism.

Donating for charity has become another way of dodging some taxes and improve the image for most big corporations.
28th November 2011, 19:14
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Come on, be realistic here. Room for alternative views in mainstream politics has never been less.

Oh, and I should add that when room for alternative views is found, it seems only to be for right-wing nutcases.
28th November 2011, 19:14
chuck34

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Ah, yes, that old get-out — 'it's the system that's at fault', as used by many British MPs in the aftermath of being found out over their expenses claims:

Alan Duncan MP - Embarrassing U-Turn on MP's expenses - YouTube

If you believe in personal responsibility being taken, such an attitude is inherently contradictory.

Didn't follow the expenses scandal. The little bit I heard about it, makes me think those MP's are dirty b@stards. You won't find me supporting them. But nice little diversion from the point.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Advocating higher taxes does not, surely, mean that one whould just automatically pay if one feels one has been taxed wrongly?

But if you have been all over the media saying "I want to pay more taxes", why would you fight not to pay more taxes?

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