Singapore 2008: Briatore and Symmonds resign

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Originally Posted by hmmm - donuts

It seems that at the time of the crash there was already a suspicion that NP Jnr had deliberately crashed his car. It also seems that the telemetry supports this point of view. So... since the telemetry must have been available to the FIA at that time and since there were already doubts about whether this was an accident, how come the FIA didn't investigate at the time? Was this a deliberate 'sweeping under the carpet' by the FIA? Or did they have to wait until allegations had been made?

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And even now they are comparing Alonso's data against Piquet. We should be looking at a few different laps of Piquet instead of muddying the waters with Alonso's data. Each driver's style will be different.* Anyway isn't this just a bigger case of team orders? Haven't we seen that to varying degrees over the years? They should just dole out the standard team orders penalty. To a degree it was still quite lucky for Alonso to win. He could easily have finished lower down the ranks ... would we be still as upset about it if he'd finished 9th?

* - have a look at the previous straight. Piquet is flat for way longer than Alonso. Is this due to traffic? Or style? Gearing? What?

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Originally Posted by grantb4

And even now they are comparing Alonso's data against Piquet. We should be looking at a few different laps of Piquet instead of muddying the waters with Alonso's data. Each driver's style will be different.* Anyway isn't this just a bigger case of team orders? Haven't we seen that to varying degrees over the years? They should just dole out the standard team orders penalty. To a degree it was still quite lucky for Alonso to win. He could easily have finished lower down the ranks ... would we be still as upset about it if he'd finished 9th?

* - have a look at the previous straight. Piquet is flat for way longer than Alonso. Is this due to traffic? Or style? Gearing? What?

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I think it is due to your not acquainting yourself with all the facts of the case.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78577

sorry to post something which already might have been covered but this article is about Barrichello slamming Briatore for his tasteless remarks on NP Jr

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Barrichello said the newly painted helmet that he was using at the Italian Grand Prix was in part a homage to say how much he missed Piquet, and fellow Brazilian Felipe Massa, in F1.

And although he has had his differences with Piquet's father, he said he had nothing but respect for Nelsinho.

When asked if he missed Nelson, Barrichello said: "Nelson Sr? Not a chance! But Nelsinho has always been very respectful I think.

"After all the bad things that Nelson put in the press about myself, Nelsinho has been very, very good to my side, and we have a great respect from each other. I felt sorry for him in a way."

http://www.crash.net/f1/News/151221/...f1_future.html

and also quoting Alonso on Piquet....Understand both articles might be dated,but Alonso doesn't seem to be the kinda guy who would give empty undeserved praise to somebody...

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Originally Posted by harsha

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78577

sorry to post something which already might have been covered but this article is about Barrichello slamming Briatore for his tasteless remarks on NP Jr

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Barrichello said the newly painted helmet that he was using at the Italian Grand Prix was in part a homage to say how much he missed Piquet, and fellow Brazilian Felipe Massa, in F1.

And although he has had his differences with Piquet's father, he said he had nothing but respect for Nelsinho.

When asked if he missed Nelson, Barrichello said: "Nelson Sr? Not a chance! But Nelsinho has always been very respectful I think.

"After all the bad things that Nelson put in the press about myself, Nelsinho has been very, very good to my side, and we have a great respect from each other. I felt sorry for him in a way."

http://www.crash.net/f1/News/151221/...f1_future.html

and also quoting Alonso on Piquet....Understand both articles might be dated,but Alonso doesn't seem to be the kinda guy who would give empty undeserved praise to somebody...

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Well, Jr can hardly be described as receiving empty undeserved praise from Fernando - he crashed his car last year so Fernando could win, for God's sake. Isn't that praiseworthy enough?

The fact that the team focused more on Alonso doesn't surprise me. I think they've made the right choice. But these allegations that the team held him back because he was no. 2 driver aren't too logic... I mean... since Renault wasn't in position to fight for the wdc the only thing they could hope for was the best position in the wcc and for that they needed maximum from both drivers. So why then would they deliberately undermine one of the their drivers to finish most of the races at the back of the field.

That crash brought more points to the team than his drive could have... that evening :laugh:

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Come to think of it, has anyone ever seen Nelson Piquet Junior and Knock-on in the same room together?

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Or Tamburello and Flavio for that matter.

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Has Tamb left the forum? I thought that as his team is Renault, he would happily come on here and admit it was not a load of rubbish as he claimed but was fact and Renault have cheated.

Knowing Tamburello, he will probably call it good strategy using fair and hard racing and they have done nothing to be ashamed of :laugh:

http://www.canada.com/Piquet+senior+...315/story.html

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"Anyway, in Brazil I talk to Charlie," he continued.
"I got him and said ’Look what could happen to Nelson if I bring this up? And I was afraid to screw up the career of Nelson."
Piquet added later: "In the race in Brazil I called Charlie and I told the whole story to Charlie."

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There's nothing in that article about Charlie being escorted to the airport by armed men wearing sunglasses. :eek:

If it were anyone except the Piquets or David Richards I would be ready to tar and feather Flav and Symonds. But somehow I have a hard time supporting broken valor among thieves!!

FIA being fair? is an unlikely conclusion but in 2009, FIA seem about to apply some perverted corporate zero tolerance, assisted by F1 sportsmedia like BBC's Brundle.

Fairness would be punishment given for intentionally crashing into direct competitor who would have won championship, on last lap of last race in TWO consecutive race seasons by MS "equivalent" to current firings at McLaren and now Renault and foolish comments by F1 driver named Brundle that PiquetJr should never drive again.

Michael, "best driver ever"? or rookie driver Piquet do not deserve Brundle's foolish comments and nor do the whole Renault team deserve to be punished by FIA High Court zero tolerance.

Fortunately, Michael and Ferrari team did not have F1 sportsmedia like Brundle -- not that long ago.