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They aren't making a new Rally2 car until there is clarity on any new Regs. But as the Skoda and Toyota Rally2 are still selling strongly and there are many 100s of top Rally2 cars running I dont see why the Regs for the Class can change much.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Maybe Hyundai are just keeping their budget for improving their Rally1 car.
This is from yesterday: https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/4227
Okay, they’ll double their hybrid range from 7 currently to 14 models, but in the sea of EV’s, this doesn’t give me much confidence in their WRC future especially as all sports models will follow the Ioniq 5 N…so much for 2027 and beyond I guess…*sigh*
But then why would they leave to go to another hybrid ran series (rumours of WEC)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Some rumours that the N versions will still be developed in specific models of the hybrid range.
No you're absolutely right but it remains to be seen if it'll be like i20N, i30N, Kona N, Elantra N or merely N-line trim levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Its possibly Paddon's last ever rally in Europe this weekend !
https://dirtfish.com/rally/erc/rali-...lly-in-europe/
The fact that Hyundai aren't creating a new Rally2 car could be why he'll only be driving in NZ or Asia in future...
The fact that Hyundai don't put anything into the Rally2 car, or any team in WRC2 or ERC, is the proof that Hyundai won't be around for ever.
Is it any proposals for changes in the Rally2 formula?
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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Hyundai will also be half private team in WRC in 2026..?Quote:
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As a result, it is our compatriot Christian Loriaux who will take over the management of operations at the rally level with i20 WRC1s which should be aligned in 2026 by the French team PH Sport.
Bye Bye WRC........Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Those were the days! Luckily a lot of good memories.
It will probably be important for that decision whether this year Hyundai wins two, one or no titles.
who needs hyundai? ...and "ford"? ...and citroen? pfff... and vw? ..who needs more than 6 full timers? pfff ...and who needs a promoter willing to sell the championship? ..and...and.. who needs a fia president that lied about how he would be taking care of rallying? pffff.... "the obvious decision is to keep rally1 for 2025"!
...sesks have no idea how good he was to the fans in these desperare times haha
ABITEBOUL ADMITS PRIVATE TEAM COULD RUN HYUNDAI’S WRC EFFORT IN 2026
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/abite...ffort-in-2026/
Neuville owns PH Sport?
i didnt see PH Sport mentioned in the Dirtfish articleQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
its mentioned in the other one which i dont know how trustworthy that link is
Apart from hints that came from Lancia & Škoda, are there any other manufacturers who've hinted at wanting to come the wrc?
There were rumors at Loeb era,that he had share at PHQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Neuville does have a team that is allready renting out rally cars.
I think his brother runs this team now, some Bmw's and also a Yaris rally 2
https://www.life-live.be/en/
SubaruQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Stellantis did claim, that they are looking closely at FIA, what they will do with regulations for 2027. And Gryazin/Rossel being supported by the official manufacturer driving Rally2 C3 (doing quite good job at the moment) give us a clue, that they do explore options. Well I hope so.. Fingers crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Lancia (being part of the Stellantis family), start doing on a Rally4 car... But that's it. And recently Stellantis being all over Lancia don't bringing them enough money I don't believe they will enter with that brand.
Skoda, hmmm don't know, but they are so quiet. They really need that challenge being in the top. They are building some sort EV SUV concept race car.
Subaru was also mentioned, but that was only wish from Toyota boss. Ever since it was quiet about them.
Ford are saying if the regs will be right for them they will invest fully in rallying, probably M-Sport will still be the team to do that.
Alpine was in the game too but they want to be the championship fully EV. But even if it would be, I don't think they really have interest in rallying at all.
Neuville-Hyundai extended the contract and he stays in Hyundai for another year.. so already 2026 sounds uncertain..?
Said it on allLive after SD
Thierry Neuville to remain with Hyundai Motorsport in 2025
• Hyundai Motorsport has signed a contract extension with driver Thierry Neuville for the 2025
FIA World Rally Championship (WRC) season
• Confirmation of the Belgian’s continuation for a 12th season reaffirms Hyundai Motorsport’s
commitment to the FIA WRC for 2025
• With Neuville competing alongside Ott Tänak, the Alzenau-based team will once again boast
one of the most competitive driver pairings in the series next year.
Lamia, Greece September 5, 2024 – Hyundai Motorsport and Thierry Neuville have today announced the continuation
of their successful partnership in the FIA World Rally Championship (WRC) for a 12th season, reaffirming
the team’s commitment to the series for 2025.
The confirmation of Neuville and co-driver Martijn Wydaeghe – in what will be their fifth year together
as a crew – alongside Ott Tänak and Martin Järveoja at Hyundai Shell Mobis World Rally Team ensures
continuity and stability for the Alzenau-based outfit as it looks ahead to a new season.
Neuville has played a fundamental role in building up Hyundai Motorsport’s WRC programme over the
past twelve years and has reached numerous milestones with the team in that time. He scored his first
career win in Hyundai machinery at Rallye Deutschland in 2014 and has since gone on to amass 20
victories, 59 podiums and 371 stage wins behind the wheel of the team’s WRC challengers.
Having been a crucial element of Hyundai Motorsport’s two FIA WRC manufacturers’ crowns secured in
2019 and 2020, the Belgian is currently on the hunt for his first drivers’ honour. Neuville begins Acropolis
Rally with a 27-point lead in the standings with just four rounds remaining.
In 2025, Hyundai Motorsport will once again boast one of the strongest and most competitive driver
pairings in the WRC. Neuville and Tänak will spearhead the charge as the team once again challenges
for all three titles. The line-up plans for the third Hyundai i20 N Rally1 Hybrid car will be announced in
due course.
Hyundai Motorsport President and Team Principal Cyril Abiteboul said: “We are pleased to confirm
Thierry Neuville alongside Ott Tänak for our 2025 FIA World Rally Championship campaign. The decision
to maintain this competitive pairing at Hyundai Motorsport underscores our commitment to the series in
2025, where we will once again be targeting all three championship titles. Thierry has been with Hyundai
Motorsport since the very start, proving invaluable to the team both on the stages and in the factory over
the past 11 years. With him and his co-driver Martijn Wydaeghe now locked in for next season, we have all
of the ingredients needed to continue fighting at the very pinnacle of our sport.”
Thierry Neuville said: “I am very happy to extend my contract with Hyundai Motorsport for the 2025 FIA
World Rally Championship season. There are not many partnerships in motorsport that have spanned as
long as ours, but since 2014 we have achieved great success together. I’ve said before that this team has
become a second family to me, and our ambition and motivation has only grown year after year. It would
be a great honour to win our first drivers’ title with them at the end of this season, and to carry that forward
into a 12th year together. I can’t wait to see what the future holds for us. ”
No surprises there. The question is over the choice of a full-time third driver, or if they'll continue with rotating several and who they'll be.
If they leave at the end of 2025 or run by PH sport that means 1 only factory team. It will be the end of ours lovely wrc.
A lot of motorsport runs 'factory teams' through third-party operations. It's often common-sense business.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
After all, even Hyundai's rumoured WEC programme for Genesis is likely to be run by a third party company.
Big companies are usually very bad / expensive at running small, nuanced operations....
Such a BREAKING news and long PR story made up just to say that he continues next year..
Years of #teamNeuville discussions, it will soon be official after all :D :D
Neuville used to say that after this season, he would have liked a 2 year extension contract. The fact that he got only a one year extension could very well mean that works Hyundai won't be there after the end of next season.
Good summary and quotes in Autosport:
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...ture/10651295/
I think many are tired and bored of this neverending Hyundai drama for years. Team, boss, mess with driver pool and young drivers, delayed decisions to develop and commit, top drivers in and out, new boss again, wrc commitment yes or no - this is more like PR disaster/dumpster than any type of long term brand awareness and trustfulness building. And i suspect it is very much related to how super traditional, heavy, vertical Korean corporate management system works. It was good, when all the world was slow in 50-80th, when the big break happened, but today, some approaches look outdated, not in sync with the modern world. And that has led to this never ending "drama queen" of our sport.
Sort of off topic but Hyundai announced an LMDh programme:
https://www.dailysportscar.com/2024/...programme.html
Hopefully the Rally programme doesn't die thanks to this.
They could switch places with Peugeot, since they're nowhere there
Stellantis/Peugeot are pretty set to stay for a while still. They got heavily screwed by BOP with their new car, wich is very different to the old one. Who knows the thing might come good by the next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
If the 9x8 doesn't become a contender for wins in 2025, Peugeot will quit.
Ahhh the 208 Rally1/ World Rally Car, it has a nice ring to it, just don’t bring Michel Nandan please, we tried that twice and it didn’t work out lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
LMDh is the car built on the "lmp2 based" spec chassis made by dallara, ligier and oreca, right? so its not a CAR made by hyundai. im not sure how that works but hey, since we keep saying "wrc should copy wec"
And that bloke Famin. Someone like Corrado should be. Someone who loves rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Bruno Famin, who previously was in charge of Peugeot Sport before he moved to Renault?Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Hu? Wasn't Nandan also involved with the 206?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Who was Peugot Sports technical director at the time?
Yes LMP 2 tub (also from Multimatic) with a spec mgu by WAE and a engine from the manufacturer and bodywork with styling cues (although I suspect that a large part of the aero is done by the respective chassis manufacturer). And all current LMDh cars are run by contacted teams (similar to M Sport Ford, Ralliart Mitsubishi,...).Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
The proposal for 2027 was based on a spec chassis but that idea isn't certain any more I think.
I'm not sure how much cheaper the sport would be but I think a spec car devalues a top championship massively. The thing about WEC was very much the ROI and the simplicity to join, both those factors are not really there in rallying.
At least for me personally I don't take the LMDh very serious they are not really a Porsche, Cadillac, BMW,... but a LMP2 in drag with a hybrid drivetrain and similar power to the LMP2 from a few years ago.